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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

You are speaking to a committee that is sometimes referred to as the awkward squad, in as much as we tend, irrespective of our political parties, to unanimously be a thorn in the flesh of everybody.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you. I asked quite a bit. I think that we are developing themes rather than pursuing specific points. I should also say that we have now been joined by our colleague, Maurice Golden.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

When young people learn to swim, do the majority of them learn in a swimming pool as opposed to open water?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Before I bring in colleagues, I note that you mentioned the position throughout the UK, and you will obviously understand what is happening elsewhere. Our concern is the provision of opportunities for people to acquire this life-saving skill here in Scotland, but is the trend that we are discussing also being felt across the rest of the UK? Are your colleagues who compete elsewhere similarly concerned about what is happening, or does Scotland perhaps have a swimming pool estate that is older and more susceptible to closures?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Does anyone else want to come in?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

Was the Darcey Sunshine Project able to intervene and assist in that situation?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

I am intrigued. Jillian, you spoke about associated transport costs. We recognise that issue here because we want to get as many primary schools as possible to come to the Scottish Parliament and have discovered that the issues in many cases are the distance between the school and the Parliament, the cost involved in getting here and back, and fitting it into the timetable of the school day because parents want to pick their children up at a particular time. I was equally taken aback by the statistic that, for three quarters of all children and almost 100 per cent of those living in deprived areas, the first experience of water—

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We thank the petitioner for bringing up the issue. However, in view of the position that has been identified to us as a result of the inquiries that we have made, this is as far as we can take the petition during the current parliamentary session.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

We come to agenda item 3, which is the consideration of new petitions. As I always do, I will explain to anybody who might be looking in for the first time that, with new petitions, we take advice from the Parliament’s independent research body, the Scottish Parliament information centre, as well as seeking the Scottish Government’s initial thoughts, so that we can expedite our consideration, rather than meeting simply to determine that those are the first two things that we will do.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee [Draft]

New Petitions

Meeting date: 23 April 2025

Jackson Carlaw

PE2139, which has been lodged by Maria Giordano, calls on the Scottish Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to introduce automatic expulsion for children charged on suspicion of committing a crime against another child. The petitioner’s view is that victims are treated worse than perpetrators. She notes that, in some cases, an accused person goes on to share a classroom with the alleged victim.

The Schools General (Scotland) Regulations 1975, as amended, state:

“an education authority shall not exclude a pupil from a school under their management to which he has been admitted, except where they are of the opinion that the parent of the pupil refuses or fails to comply, or to allow the pupil to comply, with the rules, regulations, or disciplinary requirements of the school”

or

“they consider that in all the circumstances to allow the pupil to continue his attendance at the school would be likely to be seriously detrimental to order and discipline in the school or the educational well-being of the pupils there.”

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In its response to the petition, the Scottish Government states that exclusion from school other than in conformity with the regulations has no statutory authority and may leave the education authority open to legal challenge. For that reason, its position is that it would not be lawful to employ a policy of automatic exclusion without considering the individual circumstances of each case. It goes on to state that it has no plans to change the law on exclusions. It also states that where staff are alerted via a multi-agency response that a young person has been charged in connection with an incident involving another pupil, school staff should follow the advice of social work and/or Police Scotland about how to manage the situation while the young people are attending school.

Do members have any suggestions as to how we might proceed?