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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We might also request that the group engages with the petitioner, if possible. Are colleagues content to close the petition on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Item 2 is the consideration of continued petitions, the first of which is PE2035, lodged by Alex Hogg, who joins us this morning at our request to give evidence on the petition, which we last considered at our meeting on 25 October 2023. The petition calls on the Scottish Government to officially recognise the legal control of abundant generalist predators as an act of conservation to help ground-nesting birds in Scotland. Mr Hogg is petitioning on behalf of the Scottish Gamekeepers Association and has indicated to the committee that he would like to make a short statement before we move to questions. Good morning, Mr Hogg. When you are settled and ready, over to you.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much, Mr Hogg. That is very helpful. Thank you, too, for the submissions that you have lodged to the committee. I invite my colleague Fergus Ewing to lead the questioning.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I represent an urban constituency and my life has all been urban. I enjoy the countryside, but I have never had to live in the countryside or depend on it directly. At least, I probably depend on it directly, but I have an indirect appreciation of how I depend on it. I have read a couple of books that were given to me that say that there has been, almost, an evisceration of certain bird populations. I have two or three questions and I would be interested to hear your reflections on them given what has been an occupation and a vocation for life for you.

First, why have legislators and urbanites become so sentimental about foxes and other predators in the sense that they do not wish to see them controlled in an effective manner but, instead, see them as things to be nourished and treasured? Meanwhile, the species to which you refer seem to have an almost anonymous profile in the minds of people who pursue those objectives.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I think that you have broken new ground this morning, because I think that this is the first time that the Scottish Parliament has condemned Walt Disney. [Laughter.] I am sure that that is a headline in its own right. Are you saying that the Disney factor has created an artificial and slightly sentimental view of certain animals but not others?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

The various birds that you mentioned have been ever-present species in our countryside. What would be the practical consequence, however regrettable, of losing those species from the Scottish countryside?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

We will keep the petition open and move forward on that basis.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

In the first instance, I would write quite specifically to Transport Scotland on that issue instead of bringing it before the committee. I do not think that we necessarily want to schedule an evidence session on such a narrowly defined point, but I think that we could ask the organisation the question quite directly. There seems to be a difference of view on what has taken place, and I would quite like something that was a bit more definitive.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Are we content to proceed on that basis?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much. We will keep the petition open and seek to make progress on that basis. No doubt we will see you again when we next consider it, if we are fortunate enough to receive the information that we have requested. Thank you.