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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Before we come to a conclusion, is there anything further that it would be useful for us to understand or that you wish to add for our consideration?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Well, we have a reputation for being tenacious when it comes to pursuing ministers in relation to petitions. I always say that our mandate comes not from any party political manifesto but from the petitioner, on whose behalf we are acting when we are able to pursue and discuss the issues with ministers.

Does anybody else want to say anything?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much for your time. Before I suspend the meeting, are members content to consider the evidence later?

Members indicated agreement.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

Thank you very much.

10:24 Meeting suspended.  

10:26 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I wonder whether we might be slightly stronger with the Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands. I would like to express some disappointment on behalf of the committee at the suggestion that the work on a register can be done only as a significant and long-term undertaking. That seems to me not to demonstrate the urgency that has been evidenced in everything that we have heard and to be very non-specific. It seems incredibly open ended and, from my reading, clearly means that the matter would not be progressed during the current session of Parliament. That is not entirely acceptable.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I am happy for us to write to that organisation again in the first instance, but we are talking about a register of ancient woodlands and not responsibility for the maintenance of woodlands. It is in relation to the register that I think—

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I will suspend the meeting briefly, because we have a large party that wishes to join us in the public gallery. I also have to excuse David Torrance from proceedings for the rest of the meeting.

10:40 Meeting suspended.  

10:41 On resuming—  

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I do not wish to be unkind, but I sometimes feel like a judge in one of those TV programmes. I have to keep reminding counsel that he is not a witness. He is here to make constructive suggestions as a member of the committee.

Thank you, Mr Ewing. We will take on board the spirit and sentiment of that—I think that the committee was very unanimously of the view underpinning that.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

I read the Official Report. You said,

“Good morning, Deputy First Minister. Could you change the regulation, even though the current position is not to change it?”,

to which Shona Robison replied,

“Technically, yes.”—[Official Report, Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee, 20 March 2024; c 16.]

That was followed by a long treatise.

I believe that Mr Swinney’s position was slightly different, so I am inclined to wonder whether, in the letter that we write to Mr Swinney, we should ask whether, in fact, he was minded to consider that when he was in office.

Mr Ewing is correct. There is an opportunity at the biannual Conveners Group meeting with the First Minister for me, as convener, to put to the First Minister the issues of a particular petition. If we get to that point, and we are not satisfied with the response, it is perfectly possible for us, as a committee, to lead a debate in the chamber. However, there are few petitions on which the committee has been so robustly unanimous in its view of the way in which matters have progressed and the outcome that we think is achievable and ought to be pursued.

We agree with the various actions that have been suggested this morning. I thank Mr Smyth and Mr Cole-Hamilton for joining us, and I thank those in the public gallery who have joined us as well. I will not suspend the meeting, because we have quite a lot of business to get through. If you are planning to leave, I ask you to be as discreet in your exit as you can be. Thank you all very much.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 17 April 2024

Jackson Carlaw

In closing the petition, I thank the petitioners for raising the issue and say to them that we have only two years of this session of Parliament left and that they should hold in reserve the option of submitting a fresh petition in the next parliamentary session, if the progress that the Government believes it is making proves to be insufficient and if, at that time, the issue remains just as live.