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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Alasdair Allan

In 2019, SEPA put in place revised arrangements for monitoring, particularly for finfish aquaculture. I realise that the witnesses have expressed their concerns, but are the revised arrangements that have been in place since 2019 any better from an environmental point of view?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Alasdair Allan

This subject has been touched on already. We have mentioned the interaction between farmed salmon and wild salmon. Can you say a little about the data on that? More specifically, in your view, are regulations keeping up with issues around that interaction?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Alasdair Allan

Thank you, convener. Can you hear me?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Salmon Farming in Scotland

Meeting date: 5 June 2024

Alasdair Allan

You have mentioned what you see as shortcomings in this situation, and you have talked about resources for SEPA. Are you advocating a change in its powers or simply a change in the way that it operates?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

I do not see any reason not to accede to the request for a change to the name, which might be simpler than the other options.

Meeting of the Parliament

Further Education Sector (Industrial Relations)

Meeting date: 30 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

As members will know, a number of colleges have undertaken restructuring exercises, including the one at UHI North, West and Hebrides. What engagement has the Scottish Government had with the college and its staff throughout the on-going dispute, particularly given the impact that the loss of even a small number of jobs can have in a rural community?

Meeting of the Parliament

Michael Matheson

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

No, thank you.

As our committee report mentions, it is disappointing—to put it mildly—that the committee’s deliberations were in the papers before they were even finalised. All that needs to change. The bigger picture—I appreciate that the question is separate from, but related to, the specific case—is that the Parliament has to have better systems in place for the future. As our report indicates, the committee has an appetite for helping to review some of those issues, going forward.

In the first century AD, the Roman satirist Juvenal famously asked:

“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”

or,

“Who will guard the guards?”

In other words, whose job is it to police those whose job it is to police the rules? That has never proved to be an easy question for anyone to answer.

What can be said is that the answer that we have come up with to that question in Holyrood is open to improvement. In fact, it is ripe for reform. Other legislatures do not ask a room full of politicians to reach a non-political view about an allegation against another politician. They certainly do not ask them to do so in the run-up to a national election—yet, our Parliament likes to do exactly that, as Patrick Harvie has rightly said. Nor do a number of other parliaments ask such committees to impose penalties without reference to any clearly understood scale of severity, under rules that are not always clear and do not include a right to repeal, or ask parliamentary staff in such investigations to be put in the unfair position of writing binding reports in which their colleagues are mentioned.

To anyone who is looking in on the debate, I frankly admit that there has been a lot more political heat than procedural light in the chamber. I will conclude by simply saying this: I believe that it is now time for a proper review of how the Parliament deals with allegations against its members. The public have a right to know that such decisions will be reached according to the highest and most objective of standards.

We should learn from the example of other legislatures, where the investigation is handed over to a person from outside both the political sphere and the parliamentary staff, with that person’s recommendations being put to Parliament or its committees for a recommended sanction that is based on some kind of logical scheme. I think that that would be a good place to start, and it would be an approach that the public would expect of us in the future.

17:08  

Meeting of the Parliament

Michael Matheson (Complaint)

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

Will the member give way?

Meeting of the Parliament

Michael Matheson (Complaint)

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

Douglas Ross might have forgotten but, when I attempted to intervene on him some minutes ago, he was making the claim that I had never raised the issue of a member of the committee having tweeted about matters in advance. I was not going to say this, but I did privately raise the issue with the convener of the committee. That was supposed to be in private—not that everything from the committee was in private.

Meeting of the Parliament

Michael Matheson (Complaint)

Meeting date: 29 May 2024

Alasdair Allan

Will the member give way?