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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

The evidence that we are hearing this morning is important to the committee and it is interesting, but we are trying to focus on Grangemouth, so we should perhaps pull some of the discussion more pointedly back to the Grangemouth area.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

Good morning and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2023 of the Economy and Fair Work Committee. Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Are members content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

I will bring in Colin Beattie, to be followed by Michelle Thomson.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

Sorry. I thought that you had more to contribute.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave.

11:43 Meeting suspended.  

11:45 On resuming—  

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

That brings us to the end of the evidence session. I thank the witnesses for sharing their views.

I think that it has been mentioned that we will visit Grangemouth on 20 March. If there is evidence that you have not been able to provide this morning, please feel free to provide written evidence to the inquiry as we move through the next few weeks.

Mr Bowen, did you want—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

We value the contributions, and Fiona Hyslop and I are to blame, but we have already used 50 minutes of the evidence session, so I ask members to be concise. The discussion has been broad so far, so areas that members intended to cover might have been dealt with.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

Ms Hyslop has a similar line of questioning.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Claire Baker

I was going to bring in Pat. Other members will have further questions on BiFab.

Achieving a just transition involves Government policy, and trade unions have a role, but it is also about business and industry. Do you feel that the businesses and industries that are based in Scotland are committed to the programme and that they have a shared understanding of what it means?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the first evidence session for our inquiry into a just transition for the Grangemouth area.

Industry is the second-highest carbon-emitting sector in Scotland after transport. There is currently a target for Scotland to cut greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2045. The committee is interested in looking at how we can support, incentivise and de-risk that transition in the Grangemouth area first, to benefit companies and individuals. I thank everyone who responded to our call for evidence, which closed last week. All submissions will be considered during the inquiry.

In today’s session, we will focus on the challenges facing businesses. I welcome Hisashi Kuboyama, development manager for the west with the Federation of Small Businesses in Scotland. He is joined by Liz McAreavey, who is chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, and, from Forth Ports Limited, Stuart Wallace, chief operating officer, and Michelle Primrose, group human resources manager. As always, it would be helpful if members and witnesses could keep their questions and answers as concise as possible.

I welcome our witnesses to the committee. I will go to Hisashi first, followed by Liz. I will focus my questions on both of you at the start.

The Government is producing a just transition plan for the Grangemouth area, and we expect to see the draft of that in the spring. What are the businesses that you represent looking for in the draft plan? Are you confident that it will reflect the challenges that are being faced by businesses? What is your understanding of where the focus is?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Claire Baker

Thank you. I recognise that you are here representing Forth Ports and not the broader situation.

Liz McAreavey, do you want to say something about the businesses that you represent and the flow of private finance into supporting the just transition? Are you finding that people are able to access finance? We have heard from witnesses this morning and in previous sessions that there is an appetite for investment, and recognition that investment and returns can be made. Do you find that the flow of money is positive?