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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Claire Baker

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Claire Baker

Colin Smyth asked about cost. Are supported businesses competitively priced, or does use of a supported business involve the authority making a decision around costs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Claire Baker

I have a final question that I suppose touches on some of the issues that Kevin Stewart raised with regard to bureaucracy, and touches on Gordon MacDonald’s questions about the website. Scottish Chambers of Commerce told us that artificial intelligence is a possible solution in making things more streamlined, matching contracts and making systems more efficient. Are local authorities having conversations on use of AI to improve the systems?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Claire Baker

I welcome our second panel of witnesses. I am pleased to be joined by Gordon Beattie, who is director of national procurement at NHS National Services Scotland; Stephen Connor, who is senior procurement manager at Advanced Procurement for Universities and Colleges; and, from Scottish Water, Rob Mustard, who is director of capital investment, and Joe Rowan, who is general manager of procurement.

I will start with a general opening question. As you know, this is a short inquiry into the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014. We are interested in key changes in procurement that were achieved through the act. You could start by outlining some of the key challenges; other members will pick up on other issues.

I come to Gordon Beattie first.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

I call Colin Beattie, to be followed by Colin Smyth.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Yes, there will be opportunities for you to do that in response to other questions.

In your submission, you said that it is important to distinguish between commissioning and procurement. You spoke about both in your answer. Does the 2014 act recognise the role of commissioning enough? Is there enough co-operation between procurement and commissioning for the third sector?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Our next item of business is the committee’s second evidence session as part of its post-legislative scrutiny of the Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014. The committee will hear from two panels this morning. I am pleased to be joined, first, by Pauline Gordon, who is partnership manager at the TSI Scotland Network; David Livey, who is policy and public affairs manager at the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations; and Duncan Thorp, who is policy and public affairs manager at Social Enterprise Scotland.

Members and witnesses should keep their questions and answers as concise as possible, so that we get through as much as possible.

I will ask the opening question. What benefits have you seen since the 2014 act was implemented, and what key challenges remain?

I thank the witnesses who submitted written submissions. David Livey, in the paper that the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations provided, you said:

“The ideals of community wealth building, sustainable procurement, and a wellbeing economy risk being reduced to mere rhetoric without a procurement system centred on outcomes and impact.”

Is the 2014 act delivering in that regard? What are the key challenges that are making that difficult?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

I will ask Pauline Gordon a similar question. What have been the key changes since 2014, and what are the biggest challenges that remain?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

I will ask Duncan Thorp the same question. What big changes did the 2014 act introduce? What has been positive about it? What things still need to be tackled?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Claire Baker

Brian Whittle has a final supplementary.