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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

Will the minister take an intervention?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

What Pam Duncan-Glancy is trying to do is not a bad thing—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

—and we have all agreed that it is a good idea to try to find the children and young people who we need to help.

You mentioned the evidence that we have received from Mr Dey. It is quite a complex matter. Is the bill the place for addressing it, or is it better for Mr Dey to do something and come back with a complex idea of how we can address the issue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

During the bill’s progress through stage 1, I said that the education landscape is already like an MGM musical in full Technicolor—Ross Greer used a similar line the other day. It is massive—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

My point is whether we think that it is right to add another body rather than fix what we have already. The whole idea is about relationships. You cannot legislate for relationships when trying to make things work. I hear what the convener says, but I still feel that this is overlegislating for the sake of it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I looked at the amendment and all the evidence from stage 1. Is there anything from stage 1 that you can point to? Even Ken Muir said that it would probably cause more confusion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I am sorry, but may I intervene again?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

This is my question: I pointed out something that Professor Muir said, so can you, Mr Kerr, point out something from stage 1 that backs your position?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I understand where Pam Duncan-Glancy is trying to go, but alarm bells start going off in my head—that might say a lot about me—when I hear people making suggestions that might make things more complicated. Might the proposal end up making the consultation a tick-box exercise? Might we end up in a situation in which the structure is so tight that we cannot get things done, as people will end up reporting things instead of doing the work? The issue of proposals making things so tight that flexibility is lost is a concern that I have in relation not only to this bill but to just about every bit of legislation that I see.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

George Adam

I am with Willie Rennie on the idea that the SQA has changed and things have moved on. A lot of what we are discussing and a lot of the amendments are a result of pushback because of the historical position that we have had with the SQA.

With the amendments in this group, I know that you are trying to find a solution to a perceived issue, but is it not too much to create another body or appoint a new individual? I am checking whether this is in the amendments, but would the role be created through the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body? From looking at the amendment, I cannot see that, and I have concerns about how the individual would themselves be scrutinised. They could be so independent that they would be a lone wolf.