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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

A lot of what I was going to ask has already been covered, so I will not go over old ground, but I want to pick up on Gordon MacDonald’s last point about reskilling people and contextualise that. In the past 20 years, Scotland has had a lot of people in the economy working in call centres. For example, 10 years ago, if I wanted to speak to my energy supplier, I would pick up the phone and speak to somebody in a call centre. Now, everything is on the app, and I am speaking to something which is probably a computer and not a human being because it is all done through ChatGPT. Will we see the death of call centre jobs because they are all being replaced by AI and, if we are, what will happen to the people who have those jobs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

I visited Babcock on Friday. The company is absolutely flying, which is great, and it is struggling to fill vacancies. Going back to my colleague Stephen Kerr’s questioning, do you think that our education and training set-up is fleet of foot enough to keep up with these changes in the economy?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is very interesting. We could go down that rabbit hole, but that would be a different conversation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to follow up the earlier line of questioning around data centres. Peter, you were talking about grid issues. I met SSE Transmission on Monday and we were talking about that. Its view is that, right now, Scotland is not a greatly attractive place to put data centres due to what it called the latency of the grid, by which it means the reliability. We can get there, as you fairly said, but that will require huge upgrades in transmission and much more battery and pump storage. That is years away and will come at massive cost. I do not know whether you have any thoughts on what the likely timescale is for getting a data centre built here. From what the SSE people were saying, we are talking five or 10 years at least.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

For now.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

You have given us a lot to think about. Thank you very much.

11:15  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay, that was it, unless anybody else wants to add to that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

I thank colleagues who commented on my amendments. I am grateful to Bob Doris for his comments; he made a reasonable point about the additional detail that might be required. Should amendment 148 be successful at stage 2, there would be an opportunity to address some of those concerns with amendments at stage 3.

There is an important point of principle in relation to the correct placing of an assisted dying service and whether it should be within the NHS. I am aware that there are many practitioners in the NHS who are deeply uncomfortable with the concept that the NHS, which they joined to save and preserve life, would have, as part of it, a service that is committed to helping people to end their lives. There would be many in the NHS who would be much more comfortable if there were to be a separate, stand-alone service providing assisted dying, rather than it being part of the NHS.

I remind members, as I am sure that they are aware, that the Dignitas service that operates in Switzerland—which people in this country sometimes avail themselves of—operates not in the public health sphere but as a private service. Therefore, there is precedent for services to be provided in different ways elsewhere. The amendment provides an important point of principle. For that reason, I press amendment 148.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

That would have to be agreed as the procedures for assisted dying are progressed. Generally speaking, notaries public are private individuals who operate in firms of solicitors and they would normally make a charge for witnessing documents. In my experience, that would not be a large charge. It would tend to be a modest charge, but the cost would have to be borne in mind.

The amendment would put in an important safeguard to ensure that there are additional protections in the event that someone is using a proxy as opposed to signing on their own behalf.

I move amendment 149.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee [Draft]

Assisted Dying for Terminally Ill Adults (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 4 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

I suggest that the purpose of the 1967 act was to protect the lives of mothers, who, in many cases, were potentially at risk from continuing with a pregnancy. I understand the point that Dr Gulhane is making, but I am not sure that it is salient to the argument that I am making.

My amendment 148 seeks to establish a statutory independent body that would be responsible for administering the functions of the act. That body would be separate from the NHS and would oversee all aspects of the process: receiving and recording declarations, co-ordinating assessments, authorising practitioners, arranging for the provision of the approved substance, maintaining compliance, and reporting outcomes. In creating an independent agency, we would make a clear moral distinction between a service that was dedicated to preserving life and a mechanism that was authorised by the state to end it.