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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay. Well, it is called “Working with AI: measuring the applicability of generative AI to occupations”. It is quite a detailed and interesting report that looks at occupations in which AI has the highest applicability and, therefore, is potentially the largest threat to people working in those sectors. Among the top five, we have passenger attendants and sales representatives of services, as you might expect. I will not name them, but I know of at least one local high school that I have been to that prides itself on its vocational training, which provides youngsters with the skills to work in call centres, doing sales-type jobs. That will be reflected right across Scotland. Do we have the right skills training available, either in schools or further up the chain, to equip young people—or people at any point in their career—with skills that will not be made redundant by AI? If not, what should we be doing instead?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you. That was bit of an aside, really, but it is quite interesting, and, as it was on the front page, I thought I would ask you about it.

I want to talk about AI changing the nature of work and skills. I know that we touched on this earlier, but I want to probe a little bit further. I am looking at a report that Microsoft did on 17 October. Steven Grier, I do not know whether you have seen this.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I would like to ask more about the issue of workforce and skills. However, before I do that, I want to go back to an earlier discussion about the public sector and productivity. A story on the front page of The Herald newspaper today that caught my eye is very relevant. It says that the head of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency is being summoned to this Parliament’s Finance and Public Administration Committee to answer questions about the delays in providing compensation remedies for hundreds of thousands of public sector workers. That is to do with the compensation for unfair discrimination.

The SPPA has been given 18 months to give pension remedy statements to those affected, but it has missed two deadlines, meaning that retired people are being locked out of their entitlement, and it is costing taxpayers millions more in interest, which is currently charged at 8 per cent a year. Why on earth are such processes still being done manually by the SPPA, in this day and age, when we could be using AI to do them?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

What you are saying is fascinating. Did I see that you recently joined the board of the Scottish Funding Council?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is fine. It is good to know that the SFC is—I hope—leaning on your knowledge and expertise in this area.

I was interested and a little concerned to see in the Microsoft report that the top five occupations on which AI will have the biggest impact include historian and author. I declare an interest in both categories. Is there a risk that human creativity will be squeezed out by AI? If the report says that historian and author are jobs that will be squeezed out, what does that mean?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

A lot of what I was going to ask has already been covered, so I will not go over old ground, but I want to pick up on Gordon MacDonald’s last point about reskilling people and contextualise that. In the past 20 years, Scotland has had a lot of people in the economy working in call centres. For example, 10 years ago, if I wanted to speak to my energy supplier, I would pick up the phone and speak to somebody in a call centre. Now, everything is on the app, and I am speaking to something which is probably a computer and not a human being because it is all done through ChatGPT. Will we see the death of call centre jobs because they are all being replaced by AI and, if we are, what will happen to the people who have those jobs?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

I visited Babcock on Friday. The company is absolutely flying, which is great, and it is struggling to fill vacancies. Going back to my colleague Stephen Kerr’s questioning, do you think that our education and training set-up is fleet of foot enough to keep up with these changes in the economy?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

That is very interesting. We could go down that rabbit hole, but that would be a different conversation.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Artificial Intelligence (Economic Potential)

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to follow up the earlier line of questioning around data centres. Peter, you were talking about grid issues. I met SSE Transmission on Monday and we were talking about that. Its view is that, right now, Scotland is not a greatly attractive place to put data centres due to what it called the latency of the grid, by which it means the reliability. We can get there, as you fairly said, but that will require huge upgrades in transmission and much more battery and pump storage. That is years away and will come at massive cost. I do not know whether you have any thoughts on what the likely timescale is for getting a data centre built here. From what the SSE people were saying, we are talking five or 10 years at least.