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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 May 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you, convener. We have been trying to understand what the driver is for that. Why are people proposing commissioners? We are not exactly an under-governed country: we have 129 MSPs, 57 MPs, 20-something Government ministers and 130-something Government bodies. Why do people want more commissioners? One thing that has been said to us is that it is because people feel frustrated that there is a failure in delivery and in what the Government is trying to do, and they see a commissioner as a way to force the pace of change. Do you have any thoughts on that? Do you recognise that concern?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

To be fair, we recognise that there is a difference.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Okay. Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Of course. The point that I am trying to get to is: what is the added value of a commissioner, as opposed to cross-party parliamentary committees that produce reports? As a minister, if you have a critical report from a commissioner and a critical report from a parliamentary committee, which of those do you think has more weight?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Good morning, minister and officials. One issue that the committee has been considering is the rationale behind the drive to create new commissioners. You will be aware that there are three proposals in train; there might be others in the ether. There are people wanting to create new commissioners around disability, older people and—what is the third one?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Thank you for that. I am interested in how you, as a minister or as part of the Government, view commissioners? What is the value of an independent, SPCB-supported commissioner, as opposed to MSPs, MPs and others?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

I am looking at the convener of the Public Audit Committee, who is sitting two seats along from me. That committee regularly produces reports that are critical of the Government, which I am sure that ministers are awake to and pay attention to.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

As a minister, what is more likely to keep you awake at night: a report from a commissioner or a report from a parliamentary committee—assuming that the report in question is critical?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

That was a very diplomatic answer.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Murdo Fraser

Yes. So, you are saying that it is more about the outside noise that could be generated.