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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Murdo Fraser

I go back to the question of funding, which was touched on earlier in Daniel Johnson’s questions. I have two specific questions. To save time, I will ask both of them at the same time.

First, to what extent have you sought to draw in any private sector funding for your deals, and how successful has that been?

Secondly, how have you sought to interact with other sources of public sector funding, such as levelling up funds, shared prosperity funds, the Scottish National Investment Bank or research and innovation funding? Going beyond the narrow scope of the funding in the deals, have you been able to look at other public sector sources?

Mr O’Farrell, you are looking at me, so I will start with you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Murdo Fraser

Given that you are in the unique position of straddling the border between Scotland and England, is there any difference in the approach to funding in England in comparison with Scotland?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 11 December 2024

Murdo Fraser

That is interesting. Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Murdo Fraser

My second question is on a slightly different topic, which is the timescale for the deal. The Glasgow city deal has the longest timescale, at 20 years. For some, it is 15 years, although for most it is 10 years.

We are now 10 years into the Glasgow city deal. The world looked very different 10 years ago, and it will look even more different 10 years from now. Is the timescale realistic? What impact does it have on planning for projects? Are the projects that you have picked to be part of the deals timeless projects, in effect, that will have a benefit regardless of the changes over two decades?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 4 December 2024

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. I want to follow on from the convener’s line of questioning. I suspect, given what you have said in response to him, that I probably know the answer to this question already, but I will ask it anyway.

If we did not have the city deals, would the projects have proceeded at all? Last year, the committee went to visit the Aberdeen south harbour project, for example, and we saw the work that has been done there. There is also the Inverness castle development—I say to Matt Bailey that I am an Invernessian by birth, so it is great to see the castle being brought back into use as a tourist asset.

If we did not have the city deals, what would be the prospects for developments like those proceeding? Who wants to start?

I see that Stuart Bews wants to come in.

You should not bother touching the buttons, by the way—they will be controlled remotely.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Murdo Fraser

Does Audit Scotland have any observations on this?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Murdo Fraser

Thanks.

My second question touches on what Mr McInroy said in answer to my first, but it goes in a slightly different direction. The time period for most of the deals is 10 years; some are 15; and Glasgow’s is 20. Given how fast the economy and society are changing, can we realistically make a judgment now on whether a project will, in 20 years’ time, deliver the benefits that we think are appropriate today?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Murdo Fraser

Good morning. A lot of the questions that I was going to ask have been covered by others, but there are two things that I want to follow up on.

For the first question, I want to return to Daniel Johnson’s earlier questions and take a step back from all of this. When I look at the Tay cities deal in my area and some of the projects that have come out of it, I see the massive investment in, for example, the James Hutton Institute outside Dundee, which has been extremely beneficial, and the opening of the new Perth museum, which has been a tremendous asset to the city, with visitor numbers since its opening in April well exceeding original projections. It is a great success. My question, then, which I suppose is for Mr McInroy or Mr Mitchell, is this: if we had not had the city deals, would such projects have proceeded?

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Economy and Fair Work Committee

City Region and Regional Growth Deals

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Murdo Fraser

Did you want to add anything, Mr Mitchell?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Petroineos Grangemouth

Meeting date: 20 November 2024

Murdo Fraser

I want to follow up the sustainable aviation fuel issue, which the committee is really interested in and has pursued in previous lines of questioning, including with Ineos and PetroChina last week.

As it said at that time, it is also interested in the opportunity and it is part of project willow. Mr Thomson, you make a compelling case around the notion of repurposing the existing refinery and how it could be done at a relatively low cost. If you are right, why do Ineos and PetroChina not see that opportunity for itself?