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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

Health inequalities and the illnesses that are driven by those are the result of social inequality so, very often, our health service is dealing with the symptoms of social inequality that manifest themselves in health inequalities. It is important that we take forward programmes such as reducing child poverty—through, for example, the Scottish child payment. All those will have an immediate benefit for the individuals concerned, but they will have a long-term benefit in reducing child poverty, which can result in health inequalities.

In addition, through the work that we do on tackling tobacco use, there have been reductions, and we want to continue to build on that. On alcohol misuse, a report that was published today by Public Health Scotland shows that minimum unit pricing has helped to reduce alcohol-related deaths by more than 13 per cent. All those factors play an important role in supporting us to prevent ill health, alongside our social policy actions to tackle social inequality. All that will be critical to supporting us in the preventive agenda in health.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

No single action alone would help to address issues around population shift and make our rural and island communities attractive for people to live and work; rather, a range of actions will have to be taken. You will be aware, for instance, of actions that have been taken in some rural areas on housing, as well of measures that we are planning to take to free up housing capacity in our rural and island areas. There is a combination of factors to consider, including transport infrastructure, housing, digital infrastructure, good-quality and sustainable health services, access to education and so on. They all play key roles in helping to make our rural and island communities attractive places for people to live and stay in. They cut across all Government portfolios, and some of the work that we are taking forward in Government is on trying to ensure that we take a consistent approach to delivering them and that we are prioritising them.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

I am not sure; I would have to check for you. I will be happy to come back to you once we have checked whether we are doing any work on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

Let us take an example. Are you talking about Fife?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

We have provided NHS Ayrshire and Arran with tailored financial support because of the pressures that it is facing. If you asked whether issues arise because my predecessor did not make decisions about X, Y or Z, I would say that my predecessor gave a commitment to increase health spending in this parliamentary session by 20 per cent, and we are well ahead of the trajectory for where we should be on that.

The decisions that my predecessor made have increased the investment that is put into health services ahead of what was planned—we are ahead of where we should be. That demonstrates the determination to provide as much financial support as possible and the urgency with which action is being taken to provide additional finance to our boards. In this financial year, there is an additional £730 million and, alongside that, a further £200 million of support.

None of that demonstrates a lack of urgency, understanding or leadership on doing what we can. However, our health service is experiencing the same challenges as other parts of the public sector are because we are going through a period of austerity, which is having a direct impact on the Scottish Government’s budget, and because inflation means that we are experiencing a significant increase in the costs that are associated with running public services, which is having an impact on those services. All of that is having an impact on our budget.

Another point that is worth not losing sight of is that we are still dealing with the pandemic’s consequences. Costs are still associated with Covid-19, but Barnett consequentials for dealing with Covid-19 have stopped, so we now have to meet those costs from core budgets.

Extra money is being provided where it is available, and that is being done earlier and more quickly, which shows urgency. However, alongside that is the fact that we must deal with a range of additional cost pressures, which are having a significant impact not just on health services but across the public sector and in society as a whole—households are also experiencing that in their budgets.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

Some of that is geographically specific to your part of the world. For example, one challenge that we have around social care in my area is staff from social care going into areas such as healthcare, because they are more highly paid.

Historically, our social care workforce has been less valued than our healthcare workforce, which is reflected in the rate of pay. That has been the case for some time, and we have to try and address that. We provided additional funding to local authorities to support increases in social care staff pay partly to try to stem the loss of staff from social care into healthcare and other areas of employment where they can get higher rates of pay. We have a commitment to aim for £12 an hour over a period of time, and we are doing some work around what that timeframe will look like.

The other part is that we need to provide good career pathways for those who work in the social care setting, and provide them with opportunities to progress their career and move into other parts of the care setting. For example, someone with considerable social care experience might be interested in doing nursing, but might not necessarily have the academic qualifications that get them into a university place to do a nursing degree.

We are looking at aspects such as the nursing apprenticeship, and we are taking forward that work through the nursing and midwifery task force to look at how we can create pathways into areas such as nursing for people from social care. We want them to see that there is a very clear pathway for them to follow, but we also want to make the social care setting appear as a much more attractive professional setting for staff.

My view is that pay is a big part of that, and we will do what we can to try to help to address the issue, because, historically, social care work has been paid less and had a lower relative value than healthcare work, which has resulted in challenges around the social care workforce.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

You will be more aware than I am whether there are shortages of particular labelled medication or their alternatives. We try to encourage prescribing of alternative medications that might serve the same purpose but might not be the prescribed medication that the person had previously been on.

I do not know whether John Burns can say a bit more about other aspects of prescribing. We try to work very closely with the pharmaceutical industry to smooth out issues around procurement and the availability of medication. Sometimes the challenges that we face are, as you rightly say, not peculiar purely to Scotland or the UK. They can be as a result of a worldwide shortage or other challenges. Some of that will be because of stockpiling of medication.

I cannot remember the exact medications, as it was before I had responsibility for health, but I remember some occasions in recent times when there was concern about access to certain medications—in particular, certain forms of antibiotics. I remember being involved in that and hearing a discussion in which the chief pharmaceutical officer was talking about procuring some medications in advance so that we could hold some of them in reserve, if necessary.

It is a matter of planning around procurement of the medication. Where there are concerns around supply chain issues, it can be a matter of trying to stockpile some medications where that is possible. It is not always possible for all drugs, as some of them may have a short shelf life, but it is about trying to manage those things as best we can within the structures that we have, through procurement and with the help of clinical advisers on procurement and the stockpiling of medication. Those would seem to be most appropriate ways to address the situation.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

I acknowledge people’s concerns about the delays that have resulted from issues with the water supply and the ventilation system. If anything, though, the fact that those issues have been picked up demonstrates that lessons have been learned. The NHS assure service now has to sign off and approve a capital facility of that nature before it can be declared fit for use, and it has identified deficiencies and addressed those with the board. There are perhaps some lessons for the board with regard to how such a capital project should be managed and how it could possibly have avoided what happened, but the check system that we have in place has caught and identified the issue, and the appropriate measures will have to be taken.

As I have said, if anything, that demonstrates that we have learned lessons from previous experience of facilities that were about to be opened and problems that were identified. In this situation, the problems have been identified at an earlier stage in order to be addressed. Of course, that has resulted in some delay, and it would have been better if that had not happened in the first place. I expect us to look at what we can learn from NHS Grampian’s experience in taking the project forward, but I am reassured that the NHS assure process has captured and identified the problem to prevent its being embedded even further at a later stage in the project.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

The burden of disease will continue to increase during the next 20 years by something in the region of 21 per cent, largely because of the demographic shift that we are experiencing as the population gets older. We need to do a number of things to tackle that burden of disease, one of which is to make sure that we are implementing all the right preventative measures to reduce the impact that lifestyle options can have on health. All the public health measures that we take to improve people’s health will be important.

Secondly, we need do all that we can to tackle the social inequalities that drive health inequality, including by tackling poverty and reducing child poverty. Those are key factors in helping to ensure that we focus on preventing ill-health because of social inequality.

Thirdly, we need to continue to develop and adapt our services to meet the increasing demand from older people and people who have multiple conditions so that we can manage their long-term conditions effectively in a way that improves their health and allows the health services to be sustainable.

Prevention is critical, but we also need to adapt our services to meet the increasing demand that we will face as our population gets older. We will also need effective integration between our health and social care services, given that they are critical to one another, particularly in helping older people to manage at home by giving them the support and assistance that they require.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

NHS Scotland (Performance and Recovery)

Meeting date: 27 June 2023

Michael Matheson

I will probably bring in John Burns to say a bit more about some of the work that we do. The particular challenges that the rural boards face are that they can experience difficulty in recruiting specialist staff because the number of patients that they deal with in some departments means that positions are not so attractive to the staff who need to be recruited to them.

There are a number of reasons for that. For some time now, clinical care has been undergoing ever-increasing specialisation and has moved away from being provided on a more general basis. The general physicians whom we had many more of in the past are becoming fewer and more specialised. That has driven behaviour that results in clinicians wanting to work in specialist centres where there is much more throughput so that they can see the range of patients that they are looking for and build up experience and so on. That is much more challenging in our rural boards, especially given that the population levels are much lower and the boards are not able to sustain the same services.

For a number of years now, we have been putting in place arrangements for managed clinical networks in which we can use clinicians in some of our bigger centres to provide clinical support to boards in our rural and remote areas. Sometimes that involves their going out and holding clinics in those areas, and sometimes it is about supporting clinicians in those areas in their decision making and reviewing of patients. That is one of the ways in which we support our rural and island boards so that they can sustain services. Of course, that sometimes means that patients have to come into the larger clinician centres for specialist care and interventions.

John Burns can maybe say a bit more about some of that work, which has been on-going for some time now.