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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

One of the challenges that we have, particularly in this committee, is that we are trying to scrutinise this plan for the very short period of time of the 120 days that is in front of Parliament. I am interested in what is missing from the plan, because the Government could go back to it after 120 days and say, “You know what, we’ve had evidence to show that this or that intervention or policy would make sense and would help to deliver the targets in a more effective way.”

Particularly in relation to questions such as what local authorities and national Government can do with regard to budgets and changes in legislation, how we create the environment for that modal shift, particularly in urban areas where we have that massive population and we can get those health benefits—not to exclude rural areas—do you think that specific things are missing from the plan in its draft stage? I invite you to come back in and perhaps identify a couple of things that you think are clearly missing, particularly in relation to the modal shift—unless you think that it is all here, but it is about emphasis.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

What role has travel planning had in those case studies? I am thinking, in particular, of large institutions and employers. Should national and/or local government co-ordinate, require or mandate travel planning? Would that be an effective route for delivering a multipronged approach to achieving modal shift in urban areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

I want to go back to the issue of stand-alone transport policy interventions. Concessionary travel has been a hugely successful policy for young people—it has really opened up opportunities and created a lot of socioeconomic benefit—but I am struck by the point that individual transport policy interventions on their own are less successful and need to be blended and integrated together.

I am interested in finding out how that works financially, because, when it comes to the climate change plan, there are questions about how much all of this will cost and how we can raise the revenue to effectively invest in supporting particular policy interventions such as concessionary travel. What is the evidence that demand management, congestion charging and other such policy interventions have resulted in investment in other positive interventions? In other words, people get something free but, in effect, it is not free, because the investment in it is being raised through congestion charging or demand management measures.

I guess the challenge is in ensuring that policy interventions that are positive and that result in people getting reductions in the cost of—or, indeed, free—travel are rolled out in advance of any demand management measures being put in place. That would mean that there would be a choice from day 1 to give people free and accessible travel instead of their having to wait five or 10 years for funds to be built up to enable an extra tram line to be built, say, or for another policy intervention to be implemented that levels the playing field.

Does that make sense? If so, I invite you to comment on that. I ask Rachel Aldred to answer first, and then the witnesses in the room.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Is there a point at which, with the sector-specific road maps, there would be clarity as to what the carbon reduction is? You say that it is currently difficult to say what will happen and that, with the broad suite of policies, we might get somewhere towards achieving the envelope for waste in the climate change plan. However, is there a point in the next year or two at which you expect more detail on exactly what will be achieved?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I was waiting to hear what Kevin Anderson was going to say, but if we do not want to hear what he has to say, I will move on to the next question.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thank you. Jess, do you want to come in briefly?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I understand, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am struck by what Kevin Anderson said. There is very much a consensus between the UK Climate Change Committee and Governments across the UK on the need for a balanced pathway, and, from what we can see, the draft plan reflects the need for such a pathway. The issue is to do with the art of what is politically possible in the current context. Does the plan reflect the emergency that we are in? Obviously, we take the advice of the UKCCC, and we are following the middle path, but is that okay? Should we be sticking to the goal of reaching net zero by 2045? Does the plan reflect the urgency of what is required?

I turn first to James Curran.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will come to those sectors a little bit later.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 16 December 2025

Mark Ruskell

We will be talking about particular sectors a bit later on.