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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I was going to ask Shivali Fifield whether she wanted to come in on any of those points, but I see that she is shaking her head.

My final question is around the cultural change in organisations and industry—I think that Jamie Whittle has already answered it, but I would like to get very brief responses from others. Do you have evidence of where the introduction of an ecocide law has driven that cultural change? Jamie, you have already used an example from previous environmental legislation in relation to vicarious liability, but I am interested in the views of other witnesses as to specific examples of where you think that culture change has happened in certain sectors. Valerie, do you want to come in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

We have looked at how other countries have introduced ecocide legislation. Are there any other lessons from, or examples of, the roll-out of such approaches that you feel that it would be relevant to highlight at this point or which you think are pertinent to Scotland?

Sue, you operate internationally, so you must have some views on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

What is the concern, then?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am interested in a scenario in which the bill, as it stands, is passed into law. What would change in your sector as a result and is that to do with governance or risk management?

Catherine, you represent a wide range of interests including, I imagine, big oil and gas majors such as Shell and BP with complex corporate governance structures, right through to SMEs. Let us start with the bigger companies: what are your bigger members telling you would be the impact on the culture in the board in relation to governance and risk management if the bill were to become law?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

No immediate changes are required. You operate in a highly regulated environment, with ministerial objectives and an economic regulator. Is that system fit for purpose under the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Is your concern with the marine directorate that the science is not agreed? Fishers could be trawling and dredging in an area with no understanding of the impact that it will have on species, so someone could come back later and say that they have just dredged out the last remaining flame shell reef or something like that. Is it the shifting nature of data and understanding of the environment that is causing your members concern, because they do not know whether they will be retrospectively charged with ecocide under the bill?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Do you have any comments on the defence of necessity in the bill? Are there any examples of where that would come up as a defence from any of your sectors?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

That is quite broad, because you could put a wind farm in one location and perhaps have less environmental impact, or you could fish from a part of the sea where there is no environmental pressure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

Simon Parsons, are there particular examples in the water industry of something being absolutely necessary?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Ecocide (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 September 2025

Mark Ruskell

I know that Monica Lennon wants to come in, so I will leave it.