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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

John Underhill, can I bring you back in on CCS? In the plan, there is a reliance not only on potential carbon capture at Peterhead but on capturing emissions from energy-from-waste plants, which are dispersed across Scotland—the figure that I have in front of me talks about 45 per cent of emissions from energy-from-waste plants being captured by 2032. Building on your existing comments, do you have anything further to say about the vulnerability around CCS?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Could the example that I gave trigger a Transport Scotland adjudication process on the withdrawal of somebody’s bus pass?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Let us go back to Kate Bush.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Hang on, minister. Is there a big difference between the conditions of carriage and the code of conduct? Conditions of carriage are an existing agreement for passengers. There are questions about how those could be enforced better and about whether bus drivers are able to enforce them on their own, but those are existing conditions on every single passenger, regardless of whether they pay to get on or not, so what is the difference between the two?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

I have a final question, convener. I struggle to see how that will tackle the worst antisocial behaviour that we are seeing. There is some horrendous antisocial behaviour, with people throwing bricks through bus windows and ripping up seats. There is a huge amount of bad behaviour at some bus stations. I struggle to see how this measure tackles the root cause of that behaviour. Is it not the case that if somebody has their bus pass removed, they can just walk on a bus, as many people do in England, where there is no young persons scheme, and pay a fare to get on, or borrow someone else’s card?

It might be headline grabbing, but I struggle to see how the measure actually deals with the issue of people, whatever age group they are in, who are determined to get on the bus and abuse other people, which is completely unacceptable and breaches the conditions of carriage.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 20 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

I think that there is another question that someone wanted to ask about Peterhead.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

I want to go back to the issue of stand-alone transport policy interventions. Concessionary travel has been a hugely successful policy for young people—it has really opened up opportunities and created a lot of socioeconomic benefit—but I am struck by the point that individual transport policy interventions on their own are less successful and need to be blended and integrated together.

I am interested in finding out how that works financially, because, when it comes to the climate change plan, there are questions about how much all of this will cost and how we can raise the revenue to effectively invest in supporting particular policy interventions such as concessionary travel. What is the evidence that demand management, congestion charging and other such policy interventions have resulted in investment in other positive interventions? In other words, people get something free but, in effect, it is not free, because the investment in it is being raised through congestion charging or demand management measures.

I guess the challenge is in ensuring that policy interventions that are positive and that result in people getting reductions in the cost of—or, indeed, free—travel are rolled out in advance of any demand management measures being put in place. That would mean that there would be a choice from day 1 to give people free and accessible travel instead of their having to wait five or 10 years for funds to be built up to enable an extra tram line to be built, say, or for another policy intervention to be implemented that levels the playing field.

Does that make sense? If so, I invite you to comment on that. I ask Rachel Aldred to answer first, and then the witnesses in the room.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Is there a point at which, with the sector-specific road maps, there would be clarity as to what the carbon reduction is? You say that it is currently difficult to say what will happen and that, with the broad suite of policies, we might get somewhere towards achieving the envelope for waste in the climate change plan. However, is there a point in the next year or two at which you expect more detail on exactly what will be achieved?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Is it right that increased car use affects public transport and reduces the amount of public transport services that are run in urban areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Mark Ruskell

Okay. There is a blind spot on the consumption side.