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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Okay. Haydn, will you comment on the economics of the exclusion of glass?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Yes. I read Scotland Against Spin’s response to the committee. I think that it was possibly the only group that actually submitted evidence. I recognise that there is a concern.

I wanted to ask for your view, cabinet secretary, on whether the good practice principles on community engagement are already being adhered to or whether you can point to examples of where developers are not engaging early on with communities, not doing a pre-application consultation, not holding exhibitions, and not gathering feedback on a development application and then offering feedback to those who have put in their views as to whether, as a result of those views, changes are being made or rejected. I am interested in the development process, how communities get involved very early on and how their views are respected.

Is the current voluntary system working, or are you coming across developers who are ignoring or bypassing it and saying, “It’s fine, we will just get through with very limited consultation”? Is good practice happening widely across the industry, or is that not happening, which is why you are bringing a mandatory requirement?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

I am struggling a bit with that. It might be better for you to write to the committee with some examples of where that applies and where it does not apply. What I am trying to understand is whether the Government is moving away from the EIA system to a new system of environmental outcomes reports. Is that what you are doing? I see that you are shaking your head.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

So, the environmental outcomes reports are more about those areas that are in the offshore environment, where Westminster is requiring that regime to be applied. You do not see EORs applying in relation to onshore development or anything that is within the consenting powers of the Scottish ministers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

We need to get on with it. We cannot let the perfect be the enemy of the good, so now is the right time to push ahead with the scheme that is in front of us. It is very regrettable that the scheme does not include glass—we have gone through the impacts on the environment, on our communities, on climate change and on the economics of the scheme—but now is the time to move forward with what we have.

A solution has been found in operating on a three-nation basis, but I think that the Welsh Government is going down the right route. There will be a lot of learning as Wales looks to secure an exemption to the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 and, I hope, successfully rolls out a scheme that includes glass. It will be bittersweet if Wales is successful in that and we realise that that could have been us back in 2023. Impossible conditions were put on the previous scheme. It could have gone ahead without glass a couple of years ago, but there were a lot of other conditions, which meant that we could not move forward at that point.

However, we are losing time. We are in a climate emergency. I see the impact of litter in our communities all the time. We are talking about really low-hanging fruit. Such a scheme is the simplest thing that the Parliament can do to tackle some of these issues. We should have got on with it years ago, but there is now an opportunity to pick up the reins again and move forward. I am pleased that there is now some movement on the issue, which is why I will be voting for the regulations.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

On that last point, I am struggling to see—given the breadth of different product categories and retailers and everybody who would be involved in this—how SEPA’s current capacity is adequate because, presumably, there will be a need for investigations. This is not just about issuing fixed-penalty notices. It is about the investigatory work.

I am thinking about the example of the single-use packaging regulations that have come in. I still see polystyrene containers being used by takeaways and other shops in my community. I do not think that that is allowed but, clearly, the fact that it is still happening suggests to me that there is already a gap in SEPA’s research and enforcement work, and this is an order of magnitude bigger than that. This is about all product categories, not just polystyrene takeaway containers. It covers a huge amount of product categories. I am struggling to understand how SEPA is going to enforce this with the capacity that it has at the moment, given that it already seems that it is not enforcing as much as it could.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

SEPA has said to you, “Yes, we will need an increase in capacity, but we do not need an increase in capacity beyond what we are going to get through the fees.”

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

It is a full cost recovery model.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Thanks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Planning and Infrastructure Bill

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Mark Ruskell

Do you think that there are isolated examples of bad practice that have tarred the industry with the same brush?