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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The law of diminishing returns.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Or you will have to reduce the workforce.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is projected that expenditure on social security will rise by 30 per cent over the next five years, which is higher than the projected increase in tax revenues. That relates to the overall Scottish budget, but, within the social justice portfolio, expenditure on adult disability payments is expected to increase by more than 50 per cent during that period. There are some really concerning figures from an economic point of view—year-on-year increases of 8 or 10 per cent. Can you talk us through that a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that, overall, the effect of social security spending will widen by £600 million. A third of that relates to the devolved Government lifting the two-child cap, and the remaining £400 million relates to UK Government policy and block grant adjustment funding.

I know that you have been liaising with the Office for Budget Responsibility, but your projections on the economy look to be fairly optimistic. You will have seen from this morning’s figures that unemployment has increased. From what was said on the news today, it seems that the combination of the increase in the minimum wage and the increase in employer national insurance contributions has had quite an impact. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

At 2.8 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is fine. I am reading between the lines a wee bit, as I am sure colleagues are.

I have a further question for you, Mr Kennedy. In the last sentence of the second-last paragraph of your submission, you say:

“Reform is not optional, it is essential.”

Do you wish to add anything to that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If you are demand led, there are not really any cost controls, are there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Does it not just mean that you have to focus a bit more, rather than looking at every single potential thread in an almost exponential way? Mr Kennedy’s submission says:

“The current inquiry model is not effective. Many inquiries become protracted and unfocused. Without statutory timelines or budget oversight, costs spiral, and impact is delayed.”

Do you not agree with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We talked about the opportunity costs of public inquiries on the police—the impact on the services that the police deliver—such as officers being diverted into inquiries. Mr McGowan, you also helpfully provided a couple of tables about the impact on the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The Sheku Bayoh inquiry has cost your office more than £1 million and the child abuse inquiry more than £4.8 million. What impact has having to deliver those inquiries had on your services? What is not being done because your staff are focusing on them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Police Federation has been open about the impact on the service that the police provide. You are being a wee bit coy about the impact on your service. I will push you further on that.