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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

This is probably not the right forum for that, John, but the Scottish Government has said that it will look at it, although it is somewhat unclear whether it has. I was going to ask our guests what their organisations are doing about that, how they feel about it and whether they are taking that approach, and I might come on to do that later. However, we have a number of people who want to speak, so I will forgo that for the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The committee has been wrestling with that issue for a while.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Oh, go on. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Even if it were in addition to the normal capital allocation? That is interesting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, fair enough. That is a good way of putting it. I am glad that we got that out there.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Are colleges not keen to keep all of that money?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It used to be described as falling into desuetude. This might be apocryphal, but I think that, in the 1990s, it was still legal to kill someone with an arrow under a statue of Henry VIII, providing that it was in Nottingham. It was something ludicrous like that. I do not know whether that was the case. However, the issue that you raise goes back, to an extent, to zero-based budgeting.

12:00

The committee has tackled the issue of prevention—John Mason has been a terrier on that particular issue over many years. It is easy to say that we should spend money on prevention of this and that, but what should we deprioritise? That has always been an issue. Even in the 2011 to 2016 parliamentary session, when Mr Swinney allocated £500 million specifically for that, there was not the commensurate reduction in some of the services that were not delivering as much as possible.

I remember that Birmingham City Council gave evidence to the committee in which it said that it had had to tell social workers who had been working for the council for 30 or 40 years that most of what they had done during their entire careers had been completely worthless and might even have been counterproductive. That makes it hard to get people to buy into a new way of working. Prevention is not an easy task, but it is something that our committee is still keen to pursue.

We have now been engaged in discussions for an hour and a half. I hope that folk are not too exhausted. That is the limit that we set ourselves, but as no one else has put their name down to make any comments, I am keen that we have a wind-up. I will give each of our witnesses an opportunity to mention something that might not have come up in the discussion but which they feel should be raised. I will therefore ask our four guests if they would like to make any final statements. The last person to comment will be Mirren, as she spoke first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

As we appear to have no more questions, I turn to item 2, which is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. I invite the minister to move and speak to motion S6M-20639.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Scottish Aggregates Tax (Miscellaneous Amendment) Regulations 2026 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I will call a break until the appearance of our next witnesses.

10:09

Meeting suspended.

10:27

On resuming—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Hold on a second, Craig. I need to let other people in, obviously, given that it is a round-table format.