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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

As part of our scrutiny of the budget for 2026-27, we are taking evidence today from the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body on its budget bid for 2026-27. I welcome to the meeting Jackson Carlaw MSP, who is a member of the SPCB, and the following Scottish Parliament officials: David McGill, chief executive and clerk; Kerry Twyman, director of finance and resilience; and Andrew Munro, head of internal audit.

I intend to allow up to 90 minutes for the session. Mr Carlaw, would you like to entertain us with a brief opening statement?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Well, if it is Baltic following your engagement, what does that say about your engagement? [Laughter.]

I will bring in Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that clarification. I call Michael Marra, to be followed by Patrick Harvie.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I turn to agenda item 4, which involves formal consideration of the motion on the order. I invite the minister to speak to and move motion S6M-20212.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Investment Zones Relief) (Scotland) Order 2026 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Would any member like to speak?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

All right. I will move on, as there are a lot of other things that I want to touch on, but others might wish to pick that up.

You talk about reducing electricity bills and usage through introducing

“LED lighting and other efficiencies generated by the ... Building Energy Management System.”

What other efficiencies have been introduced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Well, it is no selling then, is it?

Michelle Thomson raised the fact that there is no January sale, which was not a flippant remark.

A decade ago, I went to buy 10 Christmas cards and I was told that they would cost £6.50 or whatever. I asked, “What if I buy 100?” and the answer was, “Well, that would be £65”. Anywhere else, when you buy things in bulk, you get a discount—but absolutely no such effort whatsoever is made there. I simply didnae buy any, obviously; instead I got my own made, like many other colleagues do.

I just think that a wee bit more thought needs to be put into the shop and what it can achieve in terms of the variety of the stock that it sells, the marketing—as has been alluded to—the discounting and so on. Why not have sales once or twice a year, for example? That has been tried in a very tepid way in the past, but there has not really been much effort. A wee bit more thought needs to be put into that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. We have got that on the record. It is interesting that none of us actually knew that, even though some of us have been here for donkey’s years.

It is about the location of the shop, and also its size. It is very pokey, so wandering around it is not a particularly pleasant experience. I go and buy an annual bottle of whisky for a raffle or auction and get it signed by the First Minister and that is about it. I do not think that there is a lot of incentive to go in there.

Jackson, do you have any further points to make before we wind up this session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

It is open 9 to 5, then?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 6 January 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I am just wondering why there are overtime costs, if it is open only 10.30 to 5.30, as I now hear someone saying. Those are, in effect, normal hours.

A lot of members have made really cogent points. The size of the shop is an issue, but there also seems to be no real interest in improving the stock. The stock is the same as it has been for years—let us be honest about that.

I note that sales were £222,000 in 2023-24. Next year it is anticipated that, despite inflation, they will be only 1 per cent higher at £225,000.