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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Some of the increase relates to salary, as you mentioned, but MSP staff salary provision will increase by 3.2 per cent, so it looks as though our own staff will receive a lower level of increase than the increase for any of the office-holder staff other than the Standards Commission for Scotland staff, for whom the figure is 2.8 per cent.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I suppose that I am happy with that.

Let us move on to parliamentary staff numbers. In your submission, you state that you

“remain committed ... throughout Session 6”

to the staff baseline agreed in 2022-23. You also talk about a couple of posts having been added in security in order to

“deliver a new service to monitor social media activity referencing MSPs”,

noting that those increases have

“largely been offset by other reductions across the permanent staff complement”,

meaning that there is no overall change in staff numbers.

Can you tell us what that social media referencing monitoring service is?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, they might welcome increased scrutiny, and I am sure that the Parliament would as well, but the issue is who would do that. We have an increased number of commissioners. How close to capacity is the SPCB in carrying out scrutiny? The committees are saying, “Hold on—we’re at capacity.” I do not think that this committee could scrutinise all the commissioners, especially if more are coming down the pipeline. Where are we on that?

09:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Time is marching on and I have loads more questions. I will ask only a couple more, or possibly three, to enable my colleagues to come in.

At a time when universities are struggling due to a reduction in student numbers, the student support and tuition fee payment line is falling by 10.5 per cent. Is the tuition fee payment stuck at £1,820 per student for the 18th consecutive year? If so, how does that enable universities to be globally competitive?

In his submission to the committee, Professor Alastair Florence, director of continuous manufacturing and advanced crystallisation at the University of Strathclyde, pointed to analysis by UK Research and Innovation that shows that

“£63 is generated for the wider economy for every £1”

that is spent on research. Even if that number was out by a factor of 10, it would still represent a huge return on investment. Should we not direct a fairly modest resource, as needed, to ensure the long-term growth of facilities such as that at the University of Strathclyde—which, like all universities, seems to be under the cosh at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You touched on the £265 million figure. Local government has said that there will be another £85 million oncost through procurement. I am not convinced that local authorities have the resilience that you mentioned—that is certainly not the message that I am hearing from them.

I will open up the session to colleagues round the table. Ross Greer will be first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Will that lead to savings, ultimately, because people will not have to run around all the time?

09:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. You will be glad to know that we have concluded questions from the committee. Thank you very much for answering them. I suspend the meeting for two minutes, and then we will move into private.

10:03 Meeting suspended.  

10:09 Meeting continued in private.  

10:12 Meeting suspended.  

12:08 Meeting continued in public.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is absolutely fine—they were comprehensive. In fact, opening statements make life easier for the committee, because they answer some of the questions that we would probably have asked anyway. They also lead to other questions, the most obvious of which is why the £2 million for the Electoral Commission was not included in the indicative costs. It is pretty obvious that there is going to be an election next year, so it seems bizarre that the sum was not included in the indicative costs for 2025-26.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How much is that worth in the current year?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 14 January 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The new committee is looking at that, and it will have to address it as part of its remit.

I go back to the issue of AWE versus ASHE. I know that none of my MSP colleagues are dead keen to get involved in that particular issue, so I suppose, as convener, I will. It is heads we lose, tails we lose, is it not? When it came out, a couple of years ago, the ASHE index was about 1.7 per cent when inflation was 11 per cent. Jackson Carlaw, you had a twinkle in your eye when you said that it will probably reverse next year. It has not really reversed, and now it has gone the other way. MSP salaries have gone up by 12 per cent in the past five years, compared with inflation at 25 per cent. Was it just for public consumption reasons or for other, financial reasons that you decided to stick with AWE?