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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

So, it is maybe three years for resource and five years for capital?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is there anything else that either of you wants to say before we wind up?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

There have been improvements in the process, but it always seems to me as though the committee is having to push a rock uphill to achieve those things. We are never pushing against an open door.

I have a final question about participation. You touched on a citizens assembly—to my mind, the Parliament is a citizens assembly and we are elected. Back-bench MSPs are not consulted on anything and they do not participate in budget discussions. Matters are discussed with party spokespeople, but, although a back-bench MSP on the Education, Children and Young People Committee might get involved in the educational aspects of the budget, they will not be consulted about housing, the national health service or any other area. We might have to think more about that. If we want MSPs to have a broader understanding of finance, it does not really help for them to operate in little boxes. I think that there has to be more involvement.

It does not seem to make a difference who is in power, whether it is at Westminster or in Scotland—there is the same philosophy that back benchers are there to support the Government and that it is for the Government to do things from the top down. Do you want to comment on any of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That issue was going to be the subject of my final question, so well done, Craig.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

David, you have been taking a lot of notes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have talked about the Government’s

“lack of direction in terms of what it wants to be able to deliver in the medium-term, and therefore how to achieve it.”

Do you feel that the Government is perhaps being swept along by events rather than shaping them? I realise that there are global events and UK events, so the Scottish Government’s room for manoeuvre is a lot less than, for example, that of Switzerland or Denmark.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Leaders in fashion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It would be useful for capital allocation as well, which is something that the committee has talked about for a long time.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you, John. Incidentally, I want to ask a question before I go to colleagues: when did pie charts become fan charts? They were always pie charts when I was at school. [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Indeed. You mention towards the end of your report “the Finnish practice”, the “Committee of the Future” and the “Report of the Future” that it must produce.

You also say:

“If Social Security spending rises more quickly in Scotland then equivalent spending elsewhere ... then in the absence of significant borrowing powers, plans made by other departments will instead be disrupted.”

Do you think that there is an inability to deal effectively with annual pay rises? Is that also a major issue facing the Government? We have seen almost unrealistic pay suggestions—I will call them suggestions rather than anything else—of 3 per cent a year for three years being put into the budget. Is there any possibility or likelihood that such suggestions will be held to, or is there a strong possibility that the Government will once again have to bring out an emergency statement in the autumn because it will again be giving higher settlements than were set out in the budget that was passed in February?