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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One of the issues for this committee is that we want the committees to have a greater role in the budgets for their areas. From my perspective, I feel that committees sometimes think that budgets are just the job of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. As a result, I do not think that MSPs in the main have as sound a knowledge of the Parliament’s budget and its intricacies as they perhaps should have. That is why we are asking that kind of question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

On the wider budget process and our call for evidence, we asked in question 4 how the MTFS is currently used by parliamentary committees. From your answer, which is quite detailed, it appears that you have completely body-swerved that part of the question.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is very clear in your document. You raised concerns about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In paragraph 4.9 of your report, you say that

“There has been a decline in Scottish healthy life expectancy since 2014-16.”

That was based on the 2019 to 2021 figures, and Covid may have had an impact on those figures. Given that, for example, smoking has decreased and younger people are not the boozers that people in your generation were, Graeme, why is that happening? Think of the rubbish that we used to get fed in the 1960s and 1970s, compared with the quality food that we have now. The air is also cleaner, and all the rest of it. Is it because of mental health or other issues? Why is it that the healthy life expectancy has not continued to improve? Poverty is also lower than it was a few years ago.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

In relation to the funding overview, figure 3.1 in your report and the detail underneath it show that funding for the Scottish Parliament will grow in real terms from £65 billion in 2029-30 to £159 billion in 2074-75 but that its expenditure will grow from £65 billion to £160 billion, so there will be a difference of only £1 billion, even though expenditure will increase astronomically—it will more than double—during that time. You have spoken about people having higher expectations in relation to the quality of services, but how can we possibly deliver that massive increase in spending and revenue if we do not have productivity growth over the next 50 years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The number of patients in that case is so small that that may not happen. It is not like the situation where a video recorder used to cost a thousand quid and, five years later, it was 20 quid. I am not convinced that that will always happen in certain areas where rare, or relatively rare, conditions are involved.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but there is an element of rebalancing later on in the forecasts.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was going to ask about that next, but you have answered my question. You say that

“Projected Scottish devolved public spending is unsustainable”

because

“it will exceed funding by 1.2 per cent on average over the projection. Accounting for a possible UK Government response to its fiscal sustainability pressures widens this gap to an average of 11.1 per cent.”

Could you talk us through that, because it is a fundamental issue that you touch on several times in the report?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for your evidence. I will make sure that I speak to Kate Forbes and demand that she produce a Gaelic translation of the budget next year, if she is not too busy.

We will have a five-minute break before the next session.

10:40 Meeting suspended.  

10:46 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Are there any final points that you feel we have not touched on or that you would like to make to the committee before we wind up the session?