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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As members have no further questions, we turn to agenda item 4, which is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Group Relief and Sub-sale Development Relief Modifications) (Scotland) Order 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Ivan McKee]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and Ms Parker for attending to give evidence. We will publish a short report to the Parliament setting out our decision on the instrument.

As that was the last item on the public agenda, I now close this meeting.

Meeting closed at 12:27.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what is happening now. We are spending more on the NHS, but there are fewer operations than there were before the pandemic.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is interesting that, in paragraph 29, you say that

“Under a scenario of worse population health, we project the annual budget gap to reach minus 4.0 per cent by the end of the projection”,

but if the gap

“is improved by better population health,”

it could be a “positive 6.2 per cent.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The issue is not only how long we live, but how long we live in good health. That is a major issue, certainly in the area that I represent, where the average age at which people go out of good health is as low as 56—in other words, people can live in ill health for 15 to 20 years. That is a major issue for the individuals concerned, never mind for budgetary considerations.

I am keen to look at what you say about the annual budget gaps. You say:

“We also assume the UK Government does not take action to address its own fiscal sustainability challenges.”

Why would it not do that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I open up the session to colleagues around the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

As an example, the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s stuff is written in straightforward, plain English, with lots of explanations at the end of all the acronyms. How would you improve on that, if you feel that it is something that should be improved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am going to challenge some of them in a minute, to be honest with you.

You are talking about bits and bobs from different countries. There is no real gold standard; there is not one country that does everything. We should not try to emulate anywhere 100 per cent. We cannot do that, because the Scottish Parliament is a devolved body whereas the countries that we are talking about are independent countries with different statuses, apart from anything else. I suppose that we could look at the land or estates or whatever. However, if we are talking about international best practice, it is important to tell us where that international best practice is, so that we can look at it.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I see that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

There is a difference between best practice and adequate standards. Describing something as adequate is like saying that it is struggling. Best practice is a different thing altogether—it means that you are trying to be the best. Are you saying that, in Scotland, we are below average in these areas?