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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is interesting that committees may be somewhat loth to look at the MTFS and how it affects them. Perhaps we should look at that in the future. I feel that, when the new MSPs come in next year, there should be an element of induction in some of those areas to let them know what we are talking about. There is not much point if only 10 or 20 per cent of the Parliament is debating those issues effectively.

On how effective current public engagement is, you say:

“the Scottish Government has made some progress in making the budget process more transparent over the last four years but is still failing to reach standards considered adequate by international best practice and ... greater budget transparency is needed to realise human rights.”

What country or countries would you say are the gold standard in that regard?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is a politician’s answer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I was not sure whether that would be the case.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

A couple of years ago, when I spoke to the chief executive of my local health board, they said that, prior to the pandemic, on average, four operations were carried out in a theatre per day, but the figure is now three. When I asked them why that is the case, they said that there is now a thorough deep clean in between operations, and I thought, “Did you not do that before?” That represents a 25 per cent reduction, which will be really impactful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not know whether “optimistic” is the right word to use if you are talking about the UK population being projected to grow to around 82 million people—that is around 15 million more than it is already. Large chunks of England are already pretty much concreted over, so I am not convinced that people will necessarily welcome that. You are suggesting that, on average, a net 20,000 migrants a year will come to Scotland, in addition to 10,000 from other parts of the UK. Given that most political parties—certainly at Westminster—are trying to reduce migration levels, how confident are you that those figures will be maintained?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Fiscal Sustainability Report)

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that very helpful opening statement. The comments next to the very first graph on page 3 of the report sum the situation up: although health spending stands at 36 per cent of the Scottish budget now, it could grow to around 40 per cent by 2029-30 and to an astonishing 55 per cent in 2074-75. There has to be real concern about that, and we have to look at how we can possibly change it.

I do not want to steal John Mason’s thunder, as he always comments on our ability to project things 50 years into the future when there are so many changes, but, in the last two years, the Scottish Fiscal Commission has changed its projections of the Scottish population by 15 per cent, which is pretty drastic. You now predict that there will be 800,000 more people in Scotland than you had predicted a couple of years ago. One is understandably concerned about how projections within such a short period can be so hugely different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

How closely has the Government stuck to the 2023 MTFS?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The fewer, more integrated documents there are, the better, I would have thought.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Fraser of Allander Institute and other organisations have raised concerns about the fiscal sustainability delivery plan not being incorporated directly into the medium-term financial strategy. What is your view on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not doubt that the committee has a lot of sympathy for that. We pressed for the MTFS and we were disappointed that there was not one last year.

To reflect the point that David Phillips was trying to make, we have waited this long and, if we wait another few weeks, we might be able to get a more robust, more impactful MTFS. That is the position that I think he is taking. He is talking about what happens after the summer but, to me, that seems like a long time. The difficulty is that, if the strategy were to come out after 11 June, there would be difficulties with finding the time to scrutinise it before the autumn.