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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that. Finally, I call John Wood.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I do not think that anyone is saying we should not bother. I am just saying that there must be a realistic idea of what the level of engagement is likely to be. No one is more interested in having a wider discourse about the budget than the finance committee of the Scottish Parliament. None of us wants to see fewer people engaging. We want to see more people engaging.

Everyone in the committee gets excited when we see that a tweet on something that we have done has reached 5,000 people or 10,000 people. Folk recognise the work that we do because this committee works hard and is dedicated to doing the best job possible. All that I am trying to suggest is that people are never going to say, “Did you watch a match last night?” “Never mind the match. What about the block grant adjustment committee?”

I understand what you are saying about trying to make things simpler, and the Scottish Fiscal Commission has done a lot to make things very presentable and accessible, but you can take a horse to water—if you know what I mean. There are real issues, so I am looking for practical steps to see how we can do that engagement. I am thinking about the budget cycle and all its moving parts. Can that be done to the extent that it would involve a much larger group of people? If it can, this committee would buy into it—obviously we would.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Short, sharp and to the point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

What do you consider to be realistic? The Government could say that the average public sector worker in Scotland is paid £2,300 more than public sector workers down south. The sector makes up 22 per cent of the Scottish workforce compared to 17 per cent down south, so it is already a larger sector, and, relatively speaking, it is better paid. What would be realistic? The Government suggested 9 per cent over three years. Of course, inflation could be 1 per cent a year or 5 per cent a year—that is one of the obvious difficulties with multiyear settlements. What do you consider to be realistic?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Dave Moxham, you are keen to come in, and I will bring you in in a second.

Parliament is waiting with bated breath for the medium-term financial strategy—the first one for a couple of years—that will come in the next few weeks. You say in your submission:

“In recent years the MTFS hasn’t supported a more strategic approach to financial planning. Much of the blame for this lies with the previous UK Government whose fiscal policy was characterised by short-term budget decisions, a lack of spending reviews, and general contempt for the Scottish Parliament.

However, it also reflects a lack of early Scottish Government engagement with trade unions on strategic decisions about public sector resourcing and public sector pay.

Unrealistic public sector pay policy, published without the agreement of unions, has led to a regular cycle of strike ballots”—

and so on.

You can, of course, say what you were wanting to say—that is up to you. However, can you talk us through whether such issues arise elsewhere in the UK and what you consider to be a realistic public sector pay policy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 6 May 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We are in public session, so, for the record, are there any specific countries that you think have got the transparency spot on—or near enough—and that we should emulate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Do you feel that the Government is not meeting those standards?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I agree. I just do not think that they are particularly small, reasonable or appropriate.

You also say that the SHRC proposed that a citizen’s version of each key document should be published. What does that mean?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 29 April 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I said that I was going to challenge some things. The SHRC report recommends making budget publications available in an accessible, simplified format and in different languages with the participation of existing civil society groups. I understand what that means, but how would it work and what languages should the publications be available in? Who is going to want to read the Scottish budget in Hungarian, Urdu, Swahili or Spanish, for example? Surely that is just nonsense. Let us be honest: everybody in the country bar a small minority is pretty fluent in English, and I think that those who are not will have other priorities before reading the Scottish budget documents.