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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I have a couple of issues to wind up on. First, referring to paragraph 13 of the COSLA-CIPFA submission, which is headed “Place-based inclusive approaches are needed”, you say:

“Councils will look to use well established place-based approaches ... bringing buildings back into use in town centres and improving the wider public realm, to supporting and working with communities to make places more liveable.”

Does COSLA believe that the Scottish Government should introduce compulsory sales orders in this parliamentary session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, indeed. I asked whether CIPFA believes that the Scottish Government should introduce compulsory sales orders in this parliamentary session to improve your ability to deliver place-based approaches.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Does David Eiser or Susan Murray wish to comment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

In that case, I will move to questions from committee members, and I am pretty sure that one area in particular is going to be focused on very quickly.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

We probably all need to do that, to be perfectly honest. Lastly, what is the STUC’s view on targeting versus universalism?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Yes. However, you said in your submission:

“The devolution of tax powers to the Scottish Parliament has introduced a higher level of risk and uncertainty around the assumptions required to deliver a Budget.”

Surely the same would apply if there was greater devolution of powers to fundraise to local authorities. Surely increasing planning and building control fees, which could act as a deterrent to lodging planning applications and submitting plans to building control, would not bring in significant sums of money for local government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

You make two points. The first is that the Government could use a wee bit of sleight of hand by, for example, not increasing budgets by the rate of inflation but instead sticking at cash levels, which would be a reduction in real terms. I thought that you would be a bit more heroic and give us an example, as Susan Murray did—and as Ray Perman, I am sure, is about to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I wonder whether, if we had been asking those questions at the start of the industrial revolution, anybody would have said, “You know, we really need to get rid of some of these Clydesdales and start building some combine harvesters,” or something like that.

I hope that we will have an answer from Ray Perman on disinvestment. The committee has to produce a report with recommendations to the Government. It is one thing to say that we need to invest more in preventative spend and to disinvest in areas in which the outcomes are not great, but we look to organisations such as the RSE, the David Hume Institute and the Fraser of Allander Institute to give us some examples. Do you have any?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Cuts? Cuts? [Laughter.]

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 14 September 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. David Eiser, your submission says:

“what constitutes a ‘fair and equal’ recovery is a somewhat subjective question.”

What does it mean to the Fraser of Allander Institute?