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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for that very interesting opening statement. We talked in private session about the spring budget revision. Will that be coming out in January or February? Do we have any indicative dates in that respect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for your opening statements. The esteemed Professor James Mitchell asked:

“if we are all agreed, why has it not happened?”

Why do you think?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. A number of members are keen to come in. The deputy convener will be first.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I have a couple of other questions before I open it up. Forty million pounds has been allocated as a general revenue grant for local authorities. Is that for anything specific, or is it just to oil the wheels of local authorities by giving them additional money to spend as they see fit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

It seems that there are no further questions from committee members, so I will ask one or two more, if I may.

Some considerable changes have been made to the net zero and transport budget, but there is not a lot of detail. For example, on rail services, page 66 of the budget revision document just says,

“Additional funding to support rail services”,

for which it shows £77.3 million. We also see increases for buses, airports and light rail, but the percentages vary significantly. For example, rail gets 5.3 per cent, buses get 1.2 per cent, Highland and Island Airports gets 8.1 per cent, and light rail gets 4 per cent. What is the reasoning behind those differences? What detail can you give on additional funding to support rail services, for example?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Sure—but I was asking about a specific issue. The changes that have been made this time are significant and the pandemic has contributed to them.

Transport is an obvious area where additional resources have had to be put in—for example, to make sure that the railways could continue to run when the number of passengers diminished. In what areas of the budget have savings been made—not because of cuts, but because the budget that was allocated is no longer required? What areas in the budget have been most able, because of the pandemic, to provide funding for the Scottish Government to reallocate?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Stephen Boyle, a lot of that is obviously in your area of interest. One thing that you said in your submission was:

“Our report last year on affordable housing noted that the Scottish Government had not set out the outcomes it intended to achieve from its investment.”

Is there an issue there about not being able to see the wood from the trees sometimes? Building houses is obviously a good thing, as you get new, modern houses that are easier to heat, safer and more comfortable, et cetera, but is that an aspect of it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

To go back to housing, it is about whether people have a warm, comfortable, safe home and what impact that has on mental or physical health as we go forward.

I will stick with questions to Stephen Boyle, to change the order a wee bit. In March 2016, when I was convener of the Finance Committee in session 4, we wrote to the Deputy First Minister, John Swinney, with a number of recommendations and proposals. We asked whether borrowing powers under the fiscal framework to fund preventative spend, creating a culture of innovation and the use of digital technology could provide potential solutions to achieving a decisive shift towards prevention.

At that time, after the Finance Committee had spent five years on preventative spend, which we went back to on a number of occasions—as Professor Mitchell in particular will recall; he gave a lot of evidence, as he has commented today—we were very optimistic about the prevention agenda. Obviously, there is now a feeling that it has not transpired as we would have wished.

Nonetheless, what progress do you feel has been made in creating a culture of innovation and delivering improved milestones, benchmarking and performance targets? How far have we moved forward? Are we 10 per cent, 40 per cent or 70 per cent of the way there? I am trying to find out where we are on the way up the mountain at this point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Service Reform and Christie Commission

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I open up the session to questions from other members, starting with Daniel Johnson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 November 2021

Kenneth Gibson

I thank the minister and his officials for their evidence and my colleagues for their questions.

Agenda item 2 is formal consideration of the motion, which I invite the minister to move. Members have no further comments, so I will put the question. The minister has not moved the motion yet.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Budget (Scotland) Act 2021 Amendment Regulations 2021 [draft] be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.