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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 January 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We have apologies from Michelle Thomson, who is unwell, and Daniel Johnson, who is submitting amendments at another committee meeting.

Before I move to our first item of business, I thank all those who organised, supported, attended and participated in the joint taxation conference that was hosted yesterday by the Royal Society of Edinburgh. In what was a very interesting day, I know that committee members will have heard lots of ideas about proposals to inform our consideration of potential areas of future work on taxation. We will come back to consider those formally at a later date.

We will now take evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth on the draft Budget (Scotland) Act 2022 Amendment Regulations 2023. Mr Arthur is joined by the Scottish Government officials Niall Caldwell and Craig Maidment. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting and invite Mr Arthur to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I really sympathise with your position and understand how frustrating it is to have the level of uncertainty that you are having to deal with.

One thing that the presentation that we have been given does not provide is a full breakdown of the Scottish Government’s funding envelope by source, nor does it reflect the full forecast position for the remainder of the year. Why is that the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

On education and skills, there is a £40 million reduction in what the document calls “Education Capital Projects”. Which projects will be impacted by that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

The figure for roads and taxis capital projects is £7.2 million. I cannot believe for a second that there is no demand for that money. I could tell you about a project in my constituency that has been delayed for two years because of governance procedures. After two years, I am still trying to find out what they are from Transport Scotland, which has been taking the fifth on it. I cannot understand why there would be a lack of demand of £7.2 million for roads and taxis capital projects.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Liz Smith has a supplementary.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. Maybe Mr Caldwell can provide those just now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. Your final question was about 10 questions, but never mind. I will cover just one more area. Of course, that could mean any number of areas, if I follow Douglas’s example.

You mentioned the importance of raising awareness and uptake of demand-led schemes. My understanding is that the budget for employability was initially £82 million for the year. It has been reduced by £53 million to £29 million, which is a reduction by almost two thirds. One must think that it seems like an odd time to reduce the employability budget. Forecasting of demand seems to me to be wildly inaccurate, but you can correct me if the figures are wrong. Since the pandemic, the number of people who are economically inactive in the United Kingdom has grown by 600,000; obviously, a fair number of those people are in Scotland. I would have thought that, when the budget was decided, programmes would have been planned a long time in advance, because they are important if we are to ensure that we reduce the number of people who are economically inactive so that they become more productive members of society. Obviously productivity, economic output and growth are stagnating, as we all know.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I thank Mr Arthur and his officials for their evidence. We will publish, in due course, a short report to Parliament setting out our decision on the regulations.

As the Deputy First Minister is unable to arrive before 11:30, we will go into private session to go through item 4 and make more efficient use of committee time.

11:09 Meeting suspended until 11:20 and continued in private thereafter until 11:30.  

11:30 Meeting continued in public.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

If such matters will be published, it is important that the public know what the parameter is. How does the Scottish Government currently define bullying? Is it subjective, or is it objective, as it should be?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Every year for many years, we have asked about the transfer from health and social care to education and skills to pay for teaching grants for nursing and midwifery students. This year, that figure is £64 million. Why do we have that transfer every year? Why is it not simply put into the education and skills budget in the first place?