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If we take the nadir of business rates to 2027, the growth will be 69 per cent. That is why I did not take the nadir: it was from 2022-23 to 2026-27. I discounted what was an unusual year, but there is still a 25 per cent growth in rates, which is quite a lot for the business community to cough up. That is why I was wondering about your view on where that money will come from. Is that increase being driven by inflation? It is at twice the level of growth. Why are you predicting an increase from £2.8 billion to £3.5 billion over that four-year period? It seems quite a big increase in a relatively short period.

We are scrutinising this budget, not the budget that we might like to see.

Over the past few years, how accurate has the Office for Budget Responsibility been, compared with the SFC? There are significant differences in the forecasts for the next five years; the SFC predicts that the tax take in Scotland in five years will be £486 million more than the OBR has predicted. It is interesting that the OBR predicts that £78 million will come in from Scottish landfill tax while the SFC predicts only £18 million because of the impact of policy. That is a £60 million difference, which is quite a huge difference for that tax. To help us to consider how the OBR is doing relative to the SFC, will you say how accurate the two organisations’ predictions have been over the past few years?

We will soon see.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has been quite excoriating in its critique of the UK budget, and I noticed that one of the comments was that

“A crucial ingredient in this year’s policy decisions has been the way in which OBR forecasts appear to have driven policy.”

You touched on that a wee bit in response to Michelle Thomson’s questions, but what can and should the UK and Scottish Governments do differently in terms of fiscal policy? There has been a lot of critique—given your role, I understand that—but do you have more positive suggestions for how we can make things better?

What should Scotland’s spending priorities be, given what Daniel Johnson said about there being a jump in resources this year, but a real-terms decline in the following two years? Sustainability of the public finances is, obviously, a major issue for us in Scotland.

One issue is that the OBR does not necessarily have access to the data that it requires to look at specifically Scottish circumstances. Are there any data streams that could be added to make forecasting in a Scottish context more accurate?

Paul Johnson says that the

“primacy of asset accumulation, and the importance of asset holdings”

has been prioritised over improving living standards through earnings, which will impact on low-income households in particular. Is it fair to say that?

Good morning and welcome to the 13th meeting in 2021 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee.

The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from the Office for Budget Responsibility as part of our budget scrutiny. We are joined by Richard Hughes, director, and Professor Sir Charlie Bean and Andy King, budget responsibility committee members. It is the first time that we have taken evidence from the OBR this session, and I thank Mr Hughes and his colleagues for making the journey to Edinburgh.

We have 75 minutes for discussion and will have to finish promptly just before 10.30 am, in time for our second evidence session.

As we have been given a small but perfectly formed statement by the OBR, I will open up the questions. I do not mind who answers the questions—that is a matter for the witnesses, and one or more can answer.

In the third paragraph of your overview of the October 2021 economic and fiscal outlook, published on 27 October, you stated that there are

“supply constraints in several markets.”

You go on to say that

“these supply bottlenecks have been exacerbated by changes in the migration and trading regimes following Brexit”,

and you

“expect CPI inflation to reach 4.4 per cent next year”.

What is your view on how the consumer prices index will impact the Treasury gross domestic product deflator, which is obviously important for the setting of budgets in Scotland? Is the situation with supply bottlenecks improving, and when do you expect it to return to as near normal as possible?

We shall end this evidence session on that very positive note. I will not ask for the name of the hotel.

I thank Mr Hughes and his colleagues for taking the time and trouble to come all the way to Edinburgh. That is really appreciated in the current circumstances, and it definitely gives you lots of brownie points from the committee. We much prefer to take evidence face to face, if we possibly can.

I also thank you for all your evidence. We could have asked a lot more questions if we had the time, but we have a full agenda today. Thank you for coming to see us, and we hope to see you again before too long.

Our next witness will be Carl Emmerson from the Institute for Fiscal Studies, who will join us remotely. I suspend the meeting to allow final connection checks to take place. We will be back at 10.29 for a 10.30 start.