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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I would be delighted if you did. You have mentioned the no wrong door initiative a couple of times. I am quite intrigued by that. Resources are tight and are likely to be tight for the foreseeable future, and I hope that, if best practice can be shared, resources will be spent at a more optimum level than perhaps happens at the moment across Scotland.

I will finish where I started, with a point for Mirren Kelly, which is also on the question about sharing examples of good practice. Again, I was somewhat disappointed in COSLA’s response to that question. Your response said:

“This has involved working collaboratively with a range of organisations, where workstreams with a range of stakeholders have been set up to progress each of the agreed outcomes.”

There was a sentence before that, and a long sentence after it, but not really any specific examples of best practice, as I would consider it, where improvements have been made. If we are going to deliver on the outcomes, it is important, as I have already pointed out, that we share that information. Do you have any specific direct examples that you can share?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 24 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Yes—or services delivered by the NHS, for example; I would imagine that there would be issues there.

Are there any further points that our witnesses want to make before we end the session?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

They do. You have also said in your written submission that we need

“a strong advocate with powers and duties to ensure”

the prominence of the national outcomes

“in policy development and delivery.”

What sorts of powers and duties would that individual have?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you for that.

Dr Elliott, you were nodding vigorously. What are your thoughts on that? In addition, will you expand on the issue of the strategic state? You mentioned the word “strategic” in response to the first question and, in your submission, you talked about the “strategic state”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Dr French, you say in your submission:

“there is little evidence the NPF has been meaningfully incorporated into organisational routines within those organisations, or in changing decisions, promoting learning or altering policies.”

How can we ensure that that takes place?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Budget (Website)

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

People were earning more than £200,000 a year on a day-rate basis for the project. How many people were working on the project? Based on £850 per day, that works out to 1,100 person days. If you work on £300, the figure is 3,000 person days. I imagine that the real figure is somewhere between that. How many folk were working on the project on an on-going basis? How many specialists were needed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Budget (Website)

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I will open the meeting up to questions from colleagues. Daniel Johnson will be first, followed by Michelle Thomson.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

When the committee went out to hold workshops last week, we found a huge amount of enthusiasm and energy for the NPF, but the issue is how widespread that is. Your research and, indeed, the Scottish Leaders Forum action group are important in identifying where there are issues.

Ms Wallace, you said in your submission:

“While there are some sectors and Directorates where the National Outcomes are more visibly embedded, there are many places where other statutory duties or non-legislative frameworks are seen to take precedence.”

Can you give some examples of that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Dr French, you said in your submission:

“The NPF has achieved limited (but improving) implementation success.”

However, the Scottish Leaders Forum action group says that the current status of accountability against the NPF is “patchy” and that

“typically, the NPF is not actively used to shape scrutiny, provide sponsorship, undertake commissioning of work or shape the allocation of funding”.

Therefore, have there been improvements? Where are these improvements taking place? Which area do we need to focus on most to ensure that the NPF delivers what it is supposed to?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

National Performance Framework: Ambitions into Action

Meeting date: 17 May 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I am a big fan of decluttering, I must say.