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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Campbell, you say in your submission that the process for setting and monitoring costs for public inquiries

“is adequate in the correct hands.”

Do the huge time and budget overruns that we have seen in many inquiries mean that they were not in the correct hands?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

No, I am asking you a question and you are answering it. That is fine.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Finally, I will touch on the outcome of inquiries in terms of recommendations. A Government might feel political heat to set up an inquiry—as we have seen in the UK Parliament in the past 48 hours—but inquiries drag on for years. A different political party might end up being in office when the report from an inquiry is received, and the Government of the day might not agree to the recommendations. Often, Governments say that they will implement recommendations, but there does not seem to be any timescale or incentive to deliver them such that the people who thought, perhaps, that they would have a public inquiry or that what they were saying would be justified and compensated, or that others would be blamed or that improvements would be made—whatever the aim of the inquiry is.

Mr Campbell, you have said that it is not really for an inquiry to follow up on recommendations. However, when Professor Sandy Cameron gave us evidence on the Jersey abuse inquiry, he wrote that the recommendations that were made in the first public inquiry in Scotland in 1945 are more or less the same recommendations still being made 80 years later. Nobody has really done much about them, as they should have done, which I found quite shocking. Professor Cameron also said that, in relation to the Jersey inquiry, they went back two years later to check and ensure that the recommendations were being implemented.

It might not be specified as part of the role of an inquiry, but should the inquiry team look, after a certain time period—a year or two years, or whatever is appropriate in the case—to ensure that the recommendations that it has made are being implemented? We have heard about that issue in the media during the past 24 to 48 hours in relation to the previous inquiry into grooming. Would that be a way forward, rather than an inquiry team saying, “Right—that’s us. We’ve produced a report and we’re off”?

Mr Campbell can go first, and then I will ask Mr Sturrock something slightly different.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but the question is: how can justice be delivered for people if there is no time limit—which implies a cost limit—and an inquiry just goes on and on? The two are directly related. It is like having an operation. If it is postponed for five years, how is that helpful to an individual?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

If there is a glaring need for change, organisations often try to get ahead of the game and try to change things as inquiries progress, so that they are not seen to be scratching themselves while waiting for five years for a report to come out.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Of course.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Chilcot—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

About anything specific?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that implementation is not for the inquiry.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It is all right. You are not the first to use it.