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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I was waiting for you to use those two words: “finance” and “bill.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

From a previous life, I recall that the McClelland report talked about rationalising information technology across Scotland. Has that not happened? It does not seem to have, given that you say that financial reporting has 40 different outputs. I can imagine that there would be a few—possibly, annoyingly—but is it necessary to have 40?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Good afternoon and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. The first item on our agenda is to take evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth on the Scottish Landfill Tax (Prescribed Landfill Site Activities) Amendment Order 2022. Mr Arthur is joined by Robert Souter, who is a senior tax policy adviser at the Scottish Government. I welcome them both to the meeting, and I invite Mr Arthur to make a short opening statement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It would be useful, because the people who are most mobile, who are also the people who could pay or be liable for the highest level of taxation, are always of significant interest.

I am intrigued that Susan Murray’s submission mentions open data. It says that

“over 95% of the data that could be open is still locked up, at an ... annual cost to the Scottish economy of just over £2bn.”

I was struck by the size and scale of that figure. I took it that you meant the wider Scottish economy, not just the public sector, but if that is the case, what is the split, how can or should that data be opened up and over what timescale do you envisage that happening?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I would have to look through it all to find it. I read the whole tome and took out the questions that I was going to ask so that I did not have to wrestle with a 50 or 60-page document.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

From what we see in the resource spending review, you will face only difficult decisions; I am not aware of any easy decisions. It is difficult and frustrating. Your submission would be excellent if you had a growing budgetary resource, but it is not really a great submission when you have a shrinking resource. We asked what specific efficiencies can be made, and you say in your submission, “If you give us additional resources, we can make longer-term efficiencies.” That is the bit that I talked about earlier in relation to deprioritisation. However, that is not where the finances are, because of inflation.

Mr Manning, you say in your submission that the impact of the

“extraordinary effect of inflation should be recognised in funding settlements for local government.”

How can that be done if the Scottish Government’s budget is reducing in real terms?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

So it could be as much as 10 per cent of the budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Is it £37-odd million?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

It seems a colossal sum of money, to be honest, and 95 per cent of data being locked up also seems a very high percentage. How did you come to those figures and, again, what is the split between the private and public sectors?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I want to follow up something that you said a moment ago. In your written submission, you said that the Scottish Government is

“continuing to focus funding in areas where things have already gone wrong in people’s lives, rather than providing funding to stop them going wrong in the first place”,

without evaluating the impact on other areas.

Are you suggesting that there should be an evaluation before the Scottish Government increases its expenditure in those areas? What do you say to people who say that folk are struggling and need the money now? Some of the solutions that are suggested through local government are perhaps a bit longer term than the folk who would otherwise receive the benefits would wish for.