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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 26 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

We will continue with our evidence taking on effective Scottish Government decision making. I am delighted to welcome to the meeting Paul Sheerin, chief executive officer, and Rebecca Rigg, commercial director, at Scottish Engineering; and Sandy Begbie CBE, chief executive officer at Scottish Financial Enterprise.

As members may recall, this evidence session is intended to focus not only on the witnesses’ experience of Scottish Government decision making, but also provide an opportunity to explore how their sectors approach effective decision making.

With that in mind, we will move straight to questions and I will begin by asking Paul Sheerin, how do you approach effective decision making?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Yes.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank our witnesses for coming along. The session has been very helpful and has given us another dimension to the inquiry that we are undertaking. We will continue to take evidence on effective Scottish Government decision making at future meetings.

That concludes the public part of the meeting. Our next agenda item is a discussion in private on our work programme.

12:07 Meeting continued in private until 12:14.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

One of the things that were mentioned by former senior civil servants to whom we spoke was that they were of the view that there should be a separation between policy development and implementation. Incidentally, that view was not shared by former ministers, which is quite interesting. Where do you think that kind of boundary should lie?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will move on to my colleagues round the table.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will have to suspend the session as we have lost the connection. I apologise, John.

10:07 Meeting suspended.  

10:11 On resuming—  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I am sorry, Diane. You were cut off in mid-flow.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. John Mason, can you remind us what you were asking about?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

In your presentation, you touched on the long-term insights briefing, which you said is produced at least once every three years. One of the key points of that is that the public can contribute to future decision making, helping the country to collectively think about and plan for the future. I realise that the act was only passed in 2020, and we have had the pandemic since then, but is there any evidence or are there any signs that that has transpired or is starting to happen?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 18 April 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask only one more question, then I will open out the session to colleagues round the table. On Sunday, a book called “How Westminster Works ... and Why It Doesn’t” by a man called Ian Dunt was reviewed in The Sunday Times. It was interesting that the review talked about a technique that the civil service at Westminster has called boxing-in. That is a situation in which, allegedly, civil servants give ministers four or five options, all but one of which are completely bonkers, and one of which is sensible, in order to try and channel the minister into taking a particular decision. The article pointed out that Liz Truss broke that technique when she was Prime Minister by always going for one of the mad options. Generally speaking, it is a serious issue, because it means that ministers are corralled in certain directions. Does that take place in New Zealand? Do you have experience of that?