The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
That concludes questions from members. I have a few to wind up with.
The first is a follow-up to Douglas Lumsden’s point. The briefing by the Scottish Parliament information centre says:
“The stated purpose of the Bill is to improve the quality and consistency of social services in Scotland.”
From our discussion today, it seems like you are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Surely, if there are issues of consistency and quality, as you have just touched on in your answer to Douglas, they should be addressed directly. Who has the problems of quality and consistency? Name and shame them. Would it not be easier just to impose duties to ensure that they raise their standards to the level of those who are doing best? I would be happy for you to name them, too.
As Michelle Thomson pointed out, it seems to be a monumental risk to have a bill of this nature, with all the financial implications, because a few service deliverers are not up to scratch.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
All the submissions that the committee has received express concern about the VAT baseline, which is included in the figures in table 2 of the financial memorandum. To be fair, time has trundled on, and that was published before the latest skyrocketing levels of inflation. However, in its response, COSLA states:
“These figures are misleadingly uprated each year, from a 2019/20 baseline, by inflation plus 3%. This uprating does not reflect subsequent Local Government settlements”.
That is important, given that it was announced way back in May. The response goes on to say that the uprating
“is completely at odds with the reality presented by the Scottish Government’s own Resource Spending Review, of a 'flat cash' settlement”.
Surely that alone means that the financial memorandum is no longer fit for purpose and requires to be updated at least.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
The last question from me—and the last in this session—is: does the financial memorandum, in your view, deliver best estimates of the cost of delivering the legislation?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
Good morning, and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2022 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. We are joined in the public gallery by members of the California Lawyers Association. I welcome them all to the Scottish Parliament.
We have received apologies from Ross Greer and Daniel Johnson.
The first item on our agenda is an evidence session with Scottish Government officials on the financial memorandum to the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. I welcome Donna Bell, director of social care and national care service development, and Fiona Bennett, interim deputy director for national health service, integration and social care finance.
I understand that Donna Bell would like to make a short opening statement.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
Could you speak up a wee bit? I am finding it difficult to hear you, and I think that other members are, too.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
Yes—that is a really good point.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
Sharon Wearing, in your submission you mention the importance of strong financial leadership and the fact that it has not been recognised in the consultation, the financial memorandum or indeed the bill. You also mention a lack of robust information. For the record, what additional information do you require at this point?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
The concern is that those costs use current expenditure as a starting point rather than the actual costs of the delivery of social care. All those who are responsible for the delivery of social care fear that there just will not be enough money, frankly, for the delivery of the service, especially given that, as a Parliament, we are already under severe financial pressure, local authorities are already facing financial restrictions, and we have an ageing population. How is that circle going to be squared?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
There are mountains of questions that I could ask, but colleagues will have issues that they want to raise and I do not want to steal all their thunder.
One issue that I want to ask about is VAT. From paragraph 52 of the financial memorandum, it looks almost as though a cavalier approach—a fingers-crossed, “it’ll be alright on the night” approach—is being taken. On pensions, it says that
“More work and engagement will be required to determine the most suitable and affordable design”.
On VAT, it says that
“If care boards are not able to reclaim VAT in a similar way”
to integration joint boards,
“there could be a significant financial impact.”
It goes on to say:
“Work is underway to understand this potential cost and how it might be mitigated to ensure maximum support for front line services. VAT costs are not assumed”.
What level of certainty do you have that we will be able to deliver the national care service if we do not get the VAT allowance that we hope to get and that integration joint boards get?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 25 October 2022
Kenneth Gibson
Thank you. I am sure that colleagues have a number of other questions that they wish to ask.