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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

What specific detail would you like, Liz?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, but we have 100,000 or so people who are unemployed, quite apart from counting economically inactive people, who, in areas such as mine, make up more than 30 per cent of the population. It seems to be a bit odd that employability support, which is designed to get people back into work, has been reduced.

My point about the autumn budget revision is that, if what you say is true, it looks as though you wildly overestimated demand by some 200 per cent. If £29 million is sufficient to address the issue, why was £82 million forecast? That is a huge difference. If the ABR figure had been £30 million, £33 million, £35 million or £40 million, I could understand it, but that is such a huge difference. How much was spent on employability in previous years? One would think that the amount would remain fairly level. It is odd that the budget seems to be wildly out of kilter with the initial estimate.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I will not press the matter further. I thank you for the responses that you and your officials have given us today.

Agenda item 2 is formal consideration of the motion on the instrument. Do members have any further comments?

Members indicated disagreement.

Motion moved,

That the Finance and Public Administration Committee recommends that the Budget (Scotland) Act 2022 Amendment Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Tom Arthur]

Motion agreed to.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. Initially, I will touch on the comments that you have made in your opening statement. You said that there is a need for privacy and confidentiality and that the process has to be fair to both ministers and complainants, and you spoke of the importance of striking the right balance. To a large extent, that seems to be the case with regard to ministers when a minister is found against. However, I am astonished to hear that, if complaints are not upheld, the minister will still be named and the information will be published for a fixed period of six months—that is nonsense, of course, because it will be on social media for ever. How is that fair to someone? If a complaint is made about someone and it is not upheld, why should the person be named? The complainant will not be named. How is that fair to both sides if the minister is named for something that they have not done? How is that natural justice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

No one on the committee has been a minister, but I imagine that it can be a stressful and wearying job at times. In this entire scenario, will ministers be allowed to occasionally display the normal human traits of annoyance, frustration and impatience without potentially being denounced?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Who specifically in the Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

Deputy First Minister, do you not feel that the phrase “not upheld” sounds more like “not proven” than “not guilty”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I could have understood such an approach 20 years ago, perhaps, but we now live in a fetid environment on social media, and the fact that a minister is named will mean that he or she will continue to be vilified. “No smoke without fire”, and all that kind of stuff, will still be said. Is that fair to a minister and his or her family? The complainant will not be named, so they will be able to continue with their work, even though they have made a complaint that is not upheld, but there will still be murk around the minister, will there not? That cannot possibly be fair and it is not balanced. That also assumes that their privacy will be protected throughout the process, but I would be shocked if it were, because leaks happen in such instances.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

That is a fair comment. Who will publish the report every six months?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Kenneth Gibson

I will ask you about one more thing that I and committee members are a bit concerned about. Normally, capital cannot be used for day-to-day resource spending. It appears from the figures that we have been provided with that savings of around £150.1 million have been made in relation to the capital budget. Is it the intention for that to be spent on resource? Normally, money from capital is not spent in that way—for example, on salaries. We have seen money go the other way, from resource to capital, but that is not something that we see very often.