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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

It was actually me who asked the question of the cabinet secretary. He said that the maximum cost in the financial year that is about to commence would be £50 million. What Liz Smith and the rest of the committee are keen to know is how much has been spent to date and whether that will come up in, for example, the autumn budget revision. As the ABR is some months away, if you have any information that you could provide the committee with now, that would be very helpful.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Fair enough.

My final question is based on a question that Daniel Johnson asked. He talked about the £898.7 million that is going out of health and social care. There are seven lines on that, and the £898.7 million includes £257.2 million for the integration of health and social care; £233.5 million for the funding of the real living wage; £120 million for mental health transition recovery, which you touched on; £65 million for implementation of the Carers (Scotland) Act 2016; £27.3 million for free personal and nursing care; £22 million for increased social work capacity in adult services; and £20 million for interim care funding in local authorities.

That is a huge amount of money. Surely some of those things could have been anticipated at the start of the financial year. Are we going to be in a situation in the next financial year where we again see those things being transferred from health and social care to local government? Are you going to look—if not in the next financial year, in the one after that—to have them embedded within that portfolio?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I know, because every year in the autumn revisions, we have money for education training going from health to education—I think that I pointed that out last year. That has happened for the past five or six years, at least, and it seems a bit odd. I could understand it if it was a one off, but if it will happen year on year, it almost seems dishonest to have the money in one portfolio when we know that it will always be spent in another.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

So how does it form part of the additional £713.4 million if it doesnae matter for the total budget? The finance update says:

“The changes proposed in the Spring Budget Revision result in an increase in the approved budget of £713.4 million … to £57,698.4 million.”

That includes the portfolio changes that we have discussed, the technical changes of £130.6 million that we have just talked about and Whitehall transfers of £80.6 million. I will not ask about those transfers, because I am sure that one of my colleagues will want to do that. If the technical changes do not matter, why is that figure added to the total amount of money that is available to and being spent by the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

There are a couple of issues that I would like you to talk through. One is the budget for the Scottish teachers’ and NHS pension schemes, which is going up in the current financial year by £495.7 million, which is quite significant. In addition, the budget for education and skills has gone down by £582.4 million. There is clearly a relationship, but will you talk us through the thinking behind that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

As a share of the overall portfolio, it is huge. That is the thing. I am trying to understand why the changes are so huge not only within a year. This is the second set of revisions. You have explained part of the reason, but I am still a bit concerned that the changes are so huge; I wonder how they can possibly be so big in such a short period.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Sorry—are those figures not after the autumn budget revisions have been applied?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

One area of taxation where there is concern is council tax. A working group, which includes representatives from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, has been set up to consider proposals for meaningful changes to be introduced in the short term, such as increasing the rates of council tax on second and empty homes. The group will also consider approaches to long-term reform. When is that working group likely to report?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will stay with council tax. Currently, the Scottish Government provides council tax relief and 450,000 households receive a council tax reduction, with recipients saving more than £750 a year on average. By my calculations, that is a Scottish Government investment of £337.5 million, give or take one or two million. If council tax increases substantially this year, do you anticipate a significant increase in the Scottish Government’s input to that scheme?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Kenneth Gibson

In some demand-led areas, there might be less demand than one anticipated, and it could be that taxes are a wee bit higher than was perhaps originally anticipated. What kind of projects have been delayed? What are we talking about here?