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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Well, the floor is yours.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting in 2023 of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Our first agenda item is an evidence session with Professor Paul Cairney to inform our inquiry into effective Scottish Government decision making. Professor Cairney is a professor of politics and public policy at the University of Stirling and an adviser to the committee. As part of our inquiry, the committee commissioned Professor Cairney to provide a research paper on effective Government decision making, which has been shared with committee members. I welcome Professor Cairney to the meeting.

Before I invite Professor Cairney to make some opening remarks, I pass on apologies from Liz Smith, who is unable to make it to the meeting.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I will now open out the session to Daniel Johnson, first of all, to be followed by Ross Greer.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I prefer a dodecahedron to a circular cycle. What you are really saying is that the system is three dimensional, but it is portrayed as being two dimensional.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That said, you have also made a number of criticisms of the UK Government, which we will not go into here. I note, though, the issue of diseconomies of scale with regard to decision making and your comment that, because of their relative size, Wales and Scotland perhaps have a greater opportunity than the UK to work in partnership with stakeholders.

I have one final question before I open things up. In the last sentence of your report, just before the references, you talk about

“how the Scottish Government could change in relation to what is feasible rather”

than

“restate the value of simplified models that do not exist.”

What would you change in that respect?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I thank Professor Cairney for his evidence this morning and his excellent report.

Meeting closed at 10:58.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

The overall amount of money that the Scottish Government has is up by £713.4 million. The update says that “deployment of available resources” to—not within—portfolios is £502.3 million. I take it that that is additional funding, so where does that additional money come from? We are talking about half a billion pounds. I should really have asked you that before I went into the specifics of the portfolios, so I apologise if that adds a bit of confusion to the discussion.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I am glad that you have got another life, because I have been stuck with this one for decades.

I think that the number 1 question that members of the committee want to ask when they get these figures is why specific changes have been made. We get the changes, but we do not really get the reasoning behind them. I also think that it would make life a lot easier for you if that was laid out. As you say, it is very difficult for a minister—not that I have been a minister—who comes to a committee such as this one, because you never know what we are going to ask. There is a mountain of different figures and it is not always easy to keep them all in your head. I think that that would make life easier for all concerned.

I will ask a couple more questions to close this part of the meeting, because we have not really touched on capital much in relation to borrowing. Paragraph 132 of the update says:

“all Reserve availability is being utilised to support the 2022-23 financial position.”

Paragraph 139 says:

“It is ... now highly probable that the full Capital borrowing annual allowance will not be utilised in 2022-23 as discussed in paragraph 125.”

Having jumped from paragraph 132 to paragraph 139, we go back to paragraph 125, which says:

“late underspends will be used in the first instance to reduce the current £450 million borrowing assumption in line with the Scottish Government’s Capital Borrowing policy”.

Where are those late underspends envisaged? What kind of funding are we talking about? How much are we talking about in those late underspends?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I recognise what you say about the fact that we might be talking about only 1 per cent of the overall size of the Scottish budget, but the changes within the actual portfolios are significant. For example, the funding changes to net zero have brought it down by £230.1 million, whereas we are talking about £1,110.4 million of additional funding for social justice, housing and local government. A huge proportion of funding is being moved within those portfolios. That is not 1 per cent—it is significantly higher than that. That alone is double the total figure.

If we look at it in a two-dimensional way—looking at the budget at the start of the financial year and at the end of the year—we can see that, yes, there might be a 1 per cent differential, but there are still those huge changes within the portfolios, which I find quite difficult to comprehend given that we had the autumn budget revision just a few months ago.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 March 2023

Kenneth Gibson

That is helpful. You are therefore saying that, to an extent, the Scottish Government’s decisions on that are because of decisions made elsewhere and the way that you have to react to that.