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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Anyone who has read the latest issue of Private Eye will have seen the comments about the alleged shenanigans going on in Teesside, where a freeport is being developed. One of the issues about displacement is that, if there was not a freeport in Leith, perhaps there would be displacement to Teesside. Perhaps that was one of the reasons why Leith was considered as a location.

Let me turn back to David Melhuish. You raised concern about forward funding arrangements. Could you elaborate a wee bit on that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I will open it up to colleagues around the table, but I have a final question for Derek Thomson and Liz Cairns. You said in response to question 3 that

“Unite would argue that there is a deliberate lack of clarity on whether trade unions will be able to access and organise workers operating within the zones, and to bargain with employers over pay, terms and conditions.”

Who do you think is responsible for that lack of clarity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I call Jamie Halcro Johnston.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much. That concludes questions from the committee. Are our witnesses happy to make any further points to the committee on something that has not been covered? If you feel that we have not asked anything that you would like to mention, now is your chance.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you very much for those final points, which are much appreciated, and for taking the time to give evidence to the committee. We will continue to take evidence on the draft order next week when we will hear from the Minister for Community Wealth and Public Finance and take a decision on whether we ought to approve the order.

That concludes the public part of today’s meeting. The next item on our agenda is consideration of our work programme.

11:58 Meeting continued in private until 12:05.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Well, not from existing jobs. You have talked about displacement. If people are going to be displaced, they will not be displaced on the basis of lower wages and poorer working conditions, will they?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Right—so, the revenue from that group is not decreasing. I asked the question because there seems to be a contradiction between what is said on page 19 and what is said on page 46. One talks about—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

I touch on that issue because about one sixth of income tax comes from 0.7 per cent of taxpayers. Throughout the document, you make a point of talking about the volatility of that specific group. I therefore think that we have to keep an eye on that issue.

Another point that comes through quite strongly in the report on a number of occasions relates to self-assessment. Looking at the graph on page 21, I was quite astonished at the jump in the outturn figures for self-assessment—they far exceed any others. Can you, for the record, explain that a wee bit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

There is just one more question from me, and then I will open up to colleagues round the table. In paragraphs 8 and 9 of annexe B to your report, you say that

“Scotland’s lagging earnings growth since 2016-17 has been exacerbated by much stronger earnings growth in the financial services sector in London and the South East”,

and that

“Scottish employment linked to activity in the North Sea has ... fallen, lowering the average participation rate in Scotland. These jobs ... were generally high paying, which has likely contributed to the divergence in average earnings between Scotland and the UK.”

What kind of pace are we talking about? What decline in overall earnings is coming from that sector, relative to the rest of Scotland? Obviously, that is fundamental—including for the green transition process that we are trying to undergo.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Kenneth Gibson

Given that we are coming out of a pandemic and that we have the Ukraine war, the cost of living crisis and high inflation, a GDP forecast error of 0.2 per cent is remarkable. I know that there have been one or two areas in which the figure has been quite high, but the Scottish Fiscal Commission has still done an excellent job.

I open up the meeting to colleagues.