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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

That is okay.

I think that we have covered this subject quite comprehensively, but there are always areas that we could have focused on more. I will therefore give each of our guests an opportunity to make some final comments about the national performance framework and where we go from here.

The last person that I will ask to speak will be Shoba John, as she spoke first, so she will have the final word. Which of our remaining four guests wants to go first?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Last but not least, I will bring in Shoba John.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I will open up the session. The first colleague to ask questions is Michael Marra.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Providing that £980 million would provide a substantial number of jobs in local government, would it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, thank you. Carmen Martinez, you have talked about how the national outcomes need to drive spending and/or decision making in relation to equality.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

I understand that the word “innovative”, specifically, has been removed.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

To be fair, the proposed new education and learning outcome is a bit woolly. It says:

“We are well educated, have access to high quality learning throughout our lives?and are able to contribute to society”.

That is a bit difficult to measure.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Proposed National Outcomes

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Allan Faulds, human rights are important to the ALLIANCE. Will you expand on your view on the proposed new national outcome for equality and human rights?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

A power of general competence was agreed in the first session of Parliament when Wendy Alexander was the minister. Although it might not have been implemented, it was certainly agreed by the Parliament, as anyone who checks the Official Report will be able to confirm.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. That concludes questions from members. We are over our time and we have not been able to touch on reserves or climate change or much about economic productivity and economic growth.

I will raise one issue that was alluded to by Michael Marra and John Mason, which is the trade-off between expenditure on welfare as opposed to local authorities. In paragraph 49 of your submission, Katie, you talked about how the benefit budget has increased by £984 million in this financial year and said:

“The opportunity cost of these decisions needs to be considered.”

The funding could have gone to

“economic development and employability services which help to create jobs and support people facing barriers to the labour market to progress toward, into and sustain work in fairly paid jobs, thus reducing dependence on the welfare system and also improving health outcomes. This funding could have been used to create more affordable housing supporting people out of poverty, reducing homelessness and improving health and education outcomes.”

Has COSLA done a cost benefit analysis of how that £984 million could have been spent in local services? That is a key point of your submission.