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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Yes, I was impressed that your report on NHS Highland came in for less than £150,000, and it seems to have been successful.

In your responses to our call for views, you gave quite a substantive response on culture, talking about

“a likely consequence of a culture”

in which the people who want the inquiry want

“to look back to find fault or allocate blame ... rather than to look forward and to learn lessons about what worked ... and how things could be done differently or better in the future.”

In the past 24 hours, we have seen the news from south of the border about grooming and a specific inquiry. In Scotland, there is a clamour for another public inquiry to be held into reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete that makes it clear that they want a statutory, or judge-led, inquiry, which will take a considerable period of time, I imagine. Is there any way that we can turn the Titanic away from the iceberg and persuade the public, for example, or, indeed, ministers who instruct public inquiries that, although there will always be a role for public inquiries, there is a better or different way forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Exactly. We do not have years to rumble on; we get four or six-minute speeches.

I have one further question. We have seen a plethora of public inquiries, with the number increasing. The issue is not just time and cost but the overall number. Should the bar for the establishment of a public inquiry be raised? The press and individual organisations may be clamouring for inquiries, but should there be set criteria to meet before a public inquiry can be triggered, rather than a decision being made by a minister when the fourth estate and others call for it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

People want a Ferrari rather than a Ford, if you know what I mean.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thirty pounds? They have just spent £3.6 million on a new door for the House of Lords.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It might also be a different Government by that point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Other witnesses have suggested something very similar, so there is probably a strong view that that is a fairly sensible approach.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am delighted that you have both been able to come today to give evidence. It has been invaluable to our overall inquiry, which will continue after the summer recess.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have largely hit the nail on the head as to why we are having our investigation, if you want to call it that. “Opaque” is a pretty good word to describe it, given a lot of the evidence that we have received so far.

Mr Campbell, you have taken a different tack on the same question. You have said:

“I see no merit in publishing individual remunerations ... Publication of overall accounts after the event would appear to be a necessary part of the process.”

Professor Sandy Cameron, who was the first witness to give evidence to the committee in our inquiry, said that there is a view that there appears to be no motivation and no incentive to keep an inquiry to time and to budget. If information on remuneration were to be published, would that help to focus minds a wee bit more?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Okay, but I suppose that the Scottish Government could say that it practices inward transparency. To be perfectly honest, I think that if ministers said that in the chamber, there would be a howl from Opposition parties—and probably from members of the governing party, too, including me.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You have said that cross-examination can take time but almost always yields results, but you are also saying that it does not have to be used in every circumstance and, on occasion, can be like wielding a sledgehammer to crack a nut.