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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

When we put that question to the Faculty of Advocates, it said that, even though the same documents feature many times, some folk have annotated them, so people still have to look at them.

I thank both witnesses for their evidence, which is really appreciated. If there is anything that we have omitted or not touched on or something that you are desperate to say, now is your opportunity to put it on the record.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Good point.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

You touched on whether an inquiry is statutory or non-statutory and whether it is judge led. UK-wide figures over the past 30 years show that, in the past decade, 23 out of 24 public inquiries have been judge led, with the figure being 18 out of 23 in the previous decade and 20 out of 33 in the decade before that. Do you think that, unless a public inquiry is now judge led, it is not considered to be the gold standard that those who clamour for such inquiries demand?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is helpful. I am just exploring different ways of carrying out inquiries timeously and, frankly, less expensively.

Your written submission states:

“NSS suggests that current processes for monitoring public inquiry costs are inadequate ... Costs are not reimbursed or reported consistently. There is no oversight of costs incurred.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

That is what I was going to ask about next. What has been the opportunity cost for NSS of participating in public inquiries over the past decade or so?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. I will now open up the session to questions from other members. Liz Smith will be first, to be followed by John Mason.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Those costs are included in other areas of funding.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mary Morgan, do you have any idea, given that you have been involved in inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I am in the wrong business.

Among the on-going inquiries, we have not touched much on the Scottish child abuse inquiry, which began in December 2014 and, up to March this year, had cost £95.3 million. It is important that people have their say, but, when an inquiry looks at issues going back decades, many people who were involved will die during the course of the inquiry, so they will never see justice done at any level. Surely a balance needs to be struck. None of us is immortal, so, if an inquiry lasts years and years, a lot of people will simply not live to see the report coming out, never mind the recommendations being effectively implemented.

This follows on from what John Mason was saying. The Australian Covid inquiry cost £4 million and took 13 months. The UK inquiry has already cost £200 million, and the Scottish one has cost nearly £39 million. Is it likely that those inquiries will deliver more justice than the Australian one did? Where should the balance be struck?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The NSS written submission states:

“clarity in the scope of inquiries’ terms of reference and timelines at the outset is key to cost effectiveness.”

Do you agree with NSS on that?