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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Economic and Fiscal Forecasts)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Hold on. If half of the Scottish budget—£30 billion—goes on pay, a 1 per cent increase is £300 million, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

It might have delayed the prosecution of other cases, for example.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I thank both of you for your evidence. It has been extremely helpful for our inquiry. We will continue to take further evidence next week. You will be glad to hear that we will report on the matter sometime in the autumn—not in 2038 or anything like that. The committee moves much more swiftly.

The next item on our agenda, which will be taken in private, is consideration of our work programme.

12:16 Meeting continued in private until 12:23.  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

One could make a number of arguments, for example that the police should get additional resources—I think that there would be strong support for that. Your submission points out that

“no additional funding has been made available to cover the costs incurred”,

which is obviously a major concern for the police, particularly as new inquiries are about to begin—the Emma Caldwell inquiry, for example.

We are looking at the cost effectiveness of public inquiries. What does the federation think should be done in that regard?

11:15  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

So, it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle.

Mr McGowan, you say in your submission that the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service’s approach to public inquiries is that

“One Deputy Crown Agent coordinates COPFS’ response to ensure there is an overview of the way in which inquiries are dealt with and to provide consistency in responses.”

You go on to say that

“costs incurred by COPFS in relation to Public Inquiries come together into one budget line to enable the better control of costs.”

How are those costs being controlled?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Is that not a bit like marking your own homework? I will let Mr Kennedy come back in, but he said that

“Independence is essential—but it must be balanced with accountability ... while working within a framework that ensures value for public money.”

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

We talked about the opportunity costs of public inquiries on the police—the impact on the services that the police deliver—such as officers being diverted into inquiries. Mr McGowan, you also helpfully provided a couple of tables about the impact on the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service. The Sheku Bayoh inquiry has cost your office more than £1 million and the child abuse inquiry more than £4.8 million. What impact has having to deliver those inquiries had on your services? What is not being done because your staff are focusing on them?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

The Scottish Police Federation has been open about the impact on the service that the police provide. You are being a wee bit coy about the impact on your service. I will push you further on that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

Mr Kennedy, in your submission, under “Cost Monitoring”, you say:

“There are no enforceable mechanisms for monitoring costs. This leads to unchecked overruns.”

You advocate for

“Independent financial oversight ... Maximum inquiry durations unless formally extended by Parliament”

and

“Annual public reporting on progress and spend”.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost Effectiveness)

Meeting date: 10 June 2025

Kenneth Gibson

I have a question about the implementation of recommendations, which, as I touched on earlier, has been a bugbear for many people. About 3,250 recommendations have come forward from 54 completed UK inquiries since 1990, and hundreds of them do not seem to have been implemented. Mr Kennedy suggested that there should be

“Statutory deadlines for publication of implementation plans ... Annual reporting to Parliament on progress”

and

“Independent post-implementation review”,

which, for example, was done in Jersey two years after the child abuse inquiry there. Would the COPFS support a post-review?