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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Tiffany Ritchie is keen to come in, and I will bring in Jack Gillespie after her.

Tiffany, Patrick Harvie has touched on the issue of public sector reform, and your submission states:

“SFC’s contribution to public service reform is through the delivery of the most significant transformation of the tertiary education sector in over a decade.”

I am happy for you to speak to anything that has come up before, but I would be keen for you to follow up on that statement, too.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

You touched on the health and social care service renewal framework, closer collaboration between NHS boards and the integration of systems. Do we have the right number of health boards in Scotland? There is an argument that we have too many health boards or that health boards should be better integrated with local authorities. For example, in the area that I represent, there are three local authorities that have been established for political, rather than practical, reasons. The college and the health board have the same boundaries. Is there not an argument for integrating local authorities with health boards and the college sector, so that there is one structure to help with economic development, skills and delivery of health and other services.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Thank you. Other folk are keen to come in on this subject.

Sarah Roughead, can you touch on Police Scotland’s estate master plan? It will release around £50 million to £80 million of capital receipts over the next five to 10 years, meaning that you will be able to invest in, for example, body-worn video cameras for front-line police officers and staff, as well as rolling out the digital evidence-sharing capability. I was hopeful that you would touch on that point in addition to whatever else you wanted to contribute.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Okay. I am sure that we will put those issues to the cabinet secretary when she comes before us.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I had just written that down. I think that we need an explanation from the Government. If we went round the table asking everyone what they thought “front-line services” meant, we would get different answers. People in services that you or I might not consider to be front-line services will consider those services to be front-line services. When I spoke at the most recent Scottish Parliament information centre briefing, I said, “Nobody in here would be considered front-line services by the general public.” However, some of those people consider themselves to be members of a front-line service. I think that we need a definition of that term.

I also make the point that front-line services do not work without having people behind the scenes. It is easy but lazy to say that more money should be put into the front line. What is important is what that means.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Planes cannot fly without air traffic control.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

A number of people are keen to speak, which I am pleased about. We will start with Michelle.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

I am not convinced that that is how zero-based budgeting works.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

Zero-based budgeting is stuff like, for example, having a meeting on a Monday morning because we have always had a meeting on a Monday morning. It is sometimes about looking at little things like that and asking whether we need to do that or whether we can do something else with that time. It can be at quite a mundane level. It does not necessarily have to be about whether we should take a Khmer Rouge approach, John. I seem to remember you in the 2011 to 2016 session calling for the closure of hospitals and for all the money to be given to GP practices. That is on the public record. It has clearly been in your head for a wee while. However, that is not what it is about. It is about looking at where, within a structure, resources can be allocated more efficiently by asking, for example, do we really need to do that, or could we move resources somewhere else?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Spending Review

Meeting date: 24 February 2026

Kenneth Gibson

The issue of mental health is a growing one. For example, some years ago, it was revealed that more than half of all the cases that were taken to the children’s panel had a mental health component. There is a real issue around how well trained police officers are to deal with the often distressing incidents that they have to handle, in which mental health issues appear to be a growing component.

When the general public think about police services, they often think about the bobby on the beat or in a police station in the centre of a town. We have moved a long way from that, but perceptions have not changed along with that move.

We come back to you, Jack. I do not know whether zero-based budgeting is part of what NHS Scotland is doing at the moment. Perhaps you can tell us.