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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

As the member hints, it would have been wholly wrong to have had such a review without involving the families. I have already mentioned the family advisory group, which met monthly for the duration of the review. It was made up of 12 people from eight families and informed the work of the review throughout the process by providing lived experience. The helpline team from Families Outside also collated inquiries from families regarding concerns for someone in prison.

Judith Robertson, chair of the Scottish Human Rights Commission, was appointed co-chair of the review. I reassure the member that we will ensure that the involvement of families continues as we take forward the report’s recommendations.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

The Scottish statutory instrument was laid in Parliament today. As the member will be aware, it is subject to parliamentary scrutiny, but we hope that it will come into effect on 13 December.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

As I mentioned, the holding of a fatal incident inquiry is not within the gift of the Scottish Government. An FAI is conducted by the Lord Advocate. The member is right to raise the fact that staff will require support, which the report also recognises. He says that we have to do more in relation to that issue, which I accept.

I mentioned the impact on other prisoners of a death in custody, and we have to acknowledge that there is an impact on staff as well. The member’s point is well taken. The report tries to address that issue and the challenge for us is to take it forward and deal with it as effectively as we can.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

The review makes several important recommendations highlighting practical, operational and compassionate changes that are needed to improve the ways that deaths in prison custody are handled and are responded to by the Prison Service, the NHS and others. As the report suggests, and as Rona Mackay hints, those changes will require training. We will work with the Prison Service, the NHS and the Crown Office to ensure that those changes are made.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

I partially answered James Dornan’s question earlier. He asked about taking the work forward. Early next year, we will hold a round-table discussion to inform the next steps for progressing the review’s recommendations. I am very open to discussion with the chief inspector of prisons and Families Outside, which I have mentioned, on how the views of families and the family advisory group can best be heard in that round-table discussion and how they can help to inform and shape the progress of the recommendations. We will not get to the place where we need to be if we do not have that input from the people who are most affected.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

In November 2019, my predecessor asked Her Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons for Scotland and her co-chairs—Professor Nancy Loucks, chief executive of Families Outside, and Judith Robertson, chair of the Scottish Human Rights Commission—to carry out an independent review into the response to deaths in custody, in recognition of the need for increased transparency and better engagement with families following such a death.

That review is complete, and its report has been published today. I take the opportunity to make a statement to highlight that important work and to set out the context of the review and its findings. Members will now have the opportunity to consider and read the report.

First, however, I must offer my sincere condolences to all those who have lost loved ones in prison custody. It is always hard to lose someone close to us, but to do so in circumstances in which we cannot be with them, and may not be clear about the circumstances of their death, must be especially hard to bear.

I am very grateful to Her Majesty’s chief inspector of prisons, Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, and to her co-chairs Professor Nancy Loucks and Judith Robertson, who worked with her to conduct the review, for the comprehensive and robust work that they have carried out. Families Outside facilitated the involvement of families who have been bereaved by a death in custody, and the commission provided expertise on human rights.

Delivering the review took longer than had originally been planned. That was unavoidable, in light of the impact of the Covid pandemic. I thank all concerned for their commitment to the review through challenging circumstances and the very real barriers that Covid imposed on the research process.

The primary aim of the review was to make recommendations on areas in which improvements could be made in the immediate response by the Scottish Prison Service and the national health service to deaths in prison custody—including to the deaths of prisoners who are in NHS care. Most importantly, the review aims to highlight ways in which, in the event of a death in custody, the response to, and experiences of, families could be standardised and improved, so as to provide prompt answers, transparency and compassion.

At the outset, I highlight that it was not the purpose of the review to include or consider the investigation of deaths in prison. The Lord Advocate is the independent head of the system for the investigation of sudden and suspicious deaths, and the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service carries out that work on her behalf. As such, the investigation of deaths that have occurred in prison, including criminal investigations and arrangements for fatal accident inquiries, are outwith the remit of the review.

In Scotland, a fatal accident inquiry is mandatory whenever someone has died in prison custody. The Crown Office undertakes independent investigations in advance of mandatory FAIs.

As I said, I am grateful to the management and staff at the Scottish Prison Service and in the NHS for engaging with the review and informing its recommendations. The review makes a number of important recommendations, highlighting practical, operational and compassionate changes that are needed to improve the ways that deaths in prison custody are handled and responded to in Scotland by both the Scottish Prison Service and the NHS. Those changes include training that is grounded in the appreciation of the impact of death, as well as early empathetic engagement with families.

We will work with the SPS and healthcare delivery partners to ensure that those recommendations are delivered. I know that the SPS has already implemented some immediate improvements, such as compiling a booklet that signposts families to bereavement services and support. I look forward to seeing more of the changes that will be implemented in the coming months.

I put on record my appreciation for the SPS and prison-based NHS staff who care for some of the most vulnerable people in our society. As I saw at first hand when I visited Perth prison earlier this month, the overwhelming majority of staff are extremely committed to ensuring the health and wellbeing of the people they care for and want to do the right thing with regard to their loved ones. It is clear that although systemic and operational changes are needed, particularly in standardising an improved response in the event of a death, there are, and have been, very real efforts by staff to support one another as well as the prisoners who are impacted by a death.

Most of all, I express my gratitude to the families who either participated in the research process or who formed the family advisory group. I understand that the advisory group met monthly for the duration of the review, providing lived experience and expert views on the issues that they looked at. I am very aware that their involvement over such an extended time period may have required a great deal of emotional resilience. I thank them for their time, their willingness to revisit the grief that they experienced and the insights gained through their participation.

Turning to the report itself, last Thursday, the law officers and I met the chairs of the review to discuss their findings and recommendations. Although I have not yet had the opportunity to fully consider the detail and implications of all the findings and recommendations made by the review, I want to be clear to Parliament that I accept the recommendations in principle.

In respect of the key recommendation, I agree that an independent body should carry out an investigation into every death in custody. The recommendation is that an independent investigatory body, which immediately starts the process of engaging with the family and agencies, provides transparent and prompt information to families at an early stage, thus better meeting the needs of bereaved families. Families want to know as quickly as possible how their loved one died and what the circumstances of their death were. That would complement the independent investigation by the Crown Office into the circumstances of the death, the information provided to families by the Crown Office in terms of the families liaison charter, and the subsequent FAI, which is presided over by the judiciary.

I highlight at this stage that it is clear that the suggested recommendation around the independent body does not, and should not, replace any of the current inquiry processes. The current FAI process, as enacted in legislation in 2016, follows an in-depth review of the FAI system. There have been improvements in relation to the system of FAIs since the introduction of the legislation and the modernisation project undertaken by the Crown Office in 2019. That will be further enhanced by a specialist Crown Office team that will focus on the investigation of deaths in custody and the resulting FAIs, bringing together a number of specialist disciplines. That recommendation will of course require some further detailed practical and legal consideration, in conjunction with the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service and other partners. That will take time, but I commit to doing that as quickly as possible.

Overall, the findings point to a lack of consistency in the way that deaths in custody—and, specifically, engagement with the family by the Prison Service in the event of death—are handled. Indeed, although families’ experience of the way that they are consulted and considered varies, at present, that engagement tends to lack the compassion that we might expect. I believe emphatically that that does not represent a lack of compassion or humanity on the part of the Prison Service, but rather points to the need for staff training in relation to how to have difficult conversations and what information can be shared, and when. As we know, conversations about death are never easy and require maturity, sensitivity and empathy. Staff can be coached to enable them to hold those conversations in ways that uphold the dignity of bereaved families while also providing them with valuable answers and support.

I am pleased that the review acknowledges the good practice that exists, such as the meetings with families that struck a sensitive tone, invitations to families to visit the establishment and see where their loved one had lived, for context, inclusion of families in memorial services and the facilitation of families meeting friends and cell mates.

I have been told that the review team heard examples of staff being sensitive and supportive, but I note that that was not universally the case. I accept that, through trauma-informed training, which I mentioned, and a review of operational processes, what is an extremely difficult time for bereaved families could be made less traumatic, and families could be treated with more compassion. I reiterate that I am committed to improving the immediate response to bereaved families who have lost a loved one while they were in prison custody.

Although this is outwith the scope of the review, I have raised the issue of notification of victims in the event of a death in custody. I am aware that that service is already provided by the victim notification scheme and will be subject to review in its own right next year.

Along with relevant key partner agencies, I will hold a round table at the beginning of next year to map out what needs to be done to deliver on the review’s recommendations and make the necessary changes to operations.

The review is substantial. We will work on the recommendations and advisory points that the chief inspector and her co-chairs set out. Our ultimate aim is to improve the ways in which the deaths of loved ones in prison custody are experienced by bereaved families. It is important that, as a progressive society, we have transparency, a trauma-informed approach and a compassionate justice system that understands that improvements need to be made to better deliver for families.

Finally, I commit to giving Parliament a full update on progress by summer 2022.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 30 November 2021

Keith Brown

That is why I said that I agree “in principle”. As the member will know, perhaps better than me, in practice there are dangers with such inquiries in relation to any possible criminal prosecution or FAI. There is a lot of work to be done to ensure that those who carry out such inquiries as independent bodies ensure that they do not jeopardise any future potential criminal case and that when they talk to witnesses they do not impinge on that process. However, the ability to get into the situation quickly and to provide facts to the families is very important. That is the thrust of what we are trying to do. Some of those issues have to be worked through and that is why we need more time.

Meeting of the Parliament

General Question Time

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Keith Brown

I associate myself with Karen Adam’s remarks about her grandfather, about those who have previously served and about the need for us to continue to remember them.

Through our affordable housing supply program, funding continues to be available to build homes that are specifically for veterans. I say “veterans” because responsibility for housing for people in the armed forces rests, as a reserved function, with the UK Government, although we will look to work with it.

When local authorities identify the housing issue as a strategic priority, we will work with them in relation to veterans. We are aware of the current shortages of materials and labour that parts of the construction sector face, and we continue to be advised of developments in that regard, as well as of impacts on the affordable housing supply programme. We are working closely with the construction sector, through the construction leadership forum, to understand and address the factors behind the issue.

Meeting of the Parliament

General Question Time

Meeting date: 18 November 2021

Keith Brown

Last year, we published our response to the veterans strategy, which set out our commitments through to 2028 to improve service delivery and support. We report progress against those commitments through our annual update to Parliament, which I delivered last week.

Furthermore, Scotland was the first country in the United Kingdom to establish an independent veterans commissioner, whose recommendations continue to assist—and occasionally challenge—our work, and ensure that wider policies are developed with the views of the veterans sector represented. I continue to explore additional measures that might be appropriate to provide further reassurance to veterans on those important concerns.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Topical Question Time

Meeting date: 16 November 2021

Keith Brown

In developing proposals for formal consultation, the Scottish Government discussed the issues informally with a range of partners, including the victims organisation collaboration forum Scotland, which is chaired by Victim Support Scotland. Public protection and victim safety are at the heart of the reform proposals, which are focused on reducing crime, reoffending and future victimisation.

Building on engagement with victims organisations that took place throughout the pandemic, we will continue to work closely with them and a range of other partners during the consultation and bill processes to ensure that their views are heard and that they inform future decisions in this critical area.

I want to deliver further improvements to the safety of the people of Scotland by refocusing the use of custody so that it is for those who pose a risk to public safety. The recorded crime rate remains at one of its lowest levels since 1974; it is down 41 per cent since 2006-07. I want to build further on our achievements by ensuring that custody, including the use of remand, is used appropriately and that enhanced support is provided to those whose offending behaviour is dealt with in the community.