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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 May 2025
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Meeting of the Parliament

Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

John Swinney

Mr Whitfield opens up a significant issue, which Parliament has to consider, which is the sensitivity of some of the educational dialogue that has to take place. The world today is very different to the world of even five years ago. I suspect that the document to which Mr Whitfield referred is a few years older than that, and the world will have changed dramatically since. Engagement between families and schools about the material that children might well be exposed to is important, because children must be given the ability and capacity to handle really difficult and challenging circumstances and to know what is right and what is wrong, and that is changing in front of our eyes.

Meeting of the Parliament

Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

John Swinney

The data that Audrey Nicoll marshals paints a troubling picture. Did the committee explore the sensitive and difficult issues in relation to the educational approaches that are required? Given that much of the technology is moving at such a pace, as are the activities, families might struggle to keep pace, so our education system faces additional burdens in trying to equip children and young people to deal with these difficulties.

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

John Swinney

I wonder whether the cabinet secretary believes that, in considering that question, Parliament has to be mindful of the fact that, when this Government came to office, our predecessors judged that it was acceptable for 63 per cent of schools to be in good or satisfactory condition. Despite austerity and all the public spending constraints, in excess of 90 per cent of Scottish schools are now in good or satisfactory condition. Does that not need to be recalled as we consider that important question?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

I will follow up on the point that Russell Findlay just advanced in relation to the adequacy of the immediate SPS review—I will call it the immediate review—and the immediate health service review of a death in custody. I understand that by statute there is a requirement for a fatal accident inquiry to be undertaken when somebody dies in legal custody. From the perspective of addressing the needs of the families, which you have powerfully put to us this morning, could those processes—I am not sure whether you are familiar with the content of those processes—provide sufficient information in advance of a fatal accident inquiry to, in essence, avoid the need for a fourth process to be added to the system?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

I understand; thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

Good morning. I would like to follow on from where Pauline McNeill left off and ask about the interaction between the proposed investigation that would take place and a fatal accident inquiry. Has any thought been given to whether it is possible to have the type of comprehensive independent investigation that has been proposed—I completely understand the rationale for it—while a fatal accident inquiry is pending? We often rub up against the necessity of leaving things until the statutory process that, as you quite correctly say, has to take place in relation to a death in custody has taken place. Has there been any interaction between the group and the Crown on the sequencing of all this?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

Thank you for that. I was struck by your remark that you were cautious about relying on the data about, to summarise what you said, 50 per cent of deaths in custody arising from what one might describe as illness or natural causes. I understand your point about being cautious about that data, because it opens up a discussion about the extent to which being incarcerated exacerbates the decline in individuals’ health and, therefore, what society must do to address that point. Am I correctly understanding the substance behind the point that you make in that observation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

I want to move on to the composition of the deaths in prison custody action group. Do you think that everyone is rowing in the same direction?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

I listened to what you said in your responses to Pauline McNeill in particular about the perspective of families. Quite understandably, families want early information. A period of 24 months seems to me to be an awful long time to wait for information.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

John Swinney

Has that perspective been the subject of discussion at the custody action group, given that you have the Prison Service, the national health service and Healthcare Improvement Scotland, among others, around that table?