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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

If you do not mind, minister, I want to press you in order that we get clarity about the point, because I think that it is factually incontrovertible that the falconry world had no opportunity to be heard. It was not consulted, it was not mentioned and no evidence whatsoever about falconry in relation to mountain hares was presented, submitted, discussed or mentioned by anybody during the passage of the bill. Is that factually correct?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

Did anyone consult the falconry community or reach out to it? Mr Dignon, did you say to the falconers, “Excuse me, but this amendment has come forward and we think you might be affected by it”? Did that happen?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

You have answered the question, so I would rather move on.

What happened here was that, without any opportunity to be heard, a group of people within Scottish society were made into potential criminals; a criminal offence was created without their having any opportunity to give evidence in their own Parliament before they became subject to potential prosecution. The petitioner is therefore asking for the law to be amended to allow mountain hares to be hunted for the purposes of falconry.

Finally, I want to pursue the point raised by the convener, which is that the evidence that we have heard shows that the practice of falconry in Scotland is fairly restricted. It is not a huge sport: relatively small numbers of people and of birds of prey are involved. The number of hares actually taken as a result of falconry is infinitesimal. Therefore, the Scottish Government should surely agree with the petitioners and should grant the petition because the impact on the hare population is negligible.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

The petition was lodged on 24 March 2021, minister, so the Scottish Government has had 18 or 19 months to consider it. Indeed, we got an initial reply about a year ago. Although I hear that you are willing to consider solutions, we have not heard any this morning. The impression that I get—I cannot speak for my colleagues—is that the Scottish Government has no intention of coming up with a solution, that NatureScot has done nothing to reach out to the falconry world, that the evidence that you have is scant or non-existent and that falconry might as well be finished under the Scottish Government’s approach.

If I am wrong—and I very much hope that I am, minister—I ask you to prove it. Come up with a solution that allows the sport of falconry to continue for centuries in the future as it has in the past. That is what we are asking for. I have suggested one solution, which you dismissed out of hand. What are your solutions? We have heard that a group of Scottish society that is small but that, nonetheless, you say that you value is getting no support, consideration or sympathy from the Scottish Government. I, for one, feel that that is shocking.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

I agree with those suggestions. When we write to the Scottish Government, could we specifically ask if it would advise in what ways the taxi trade as a whole is brought into discussions and policy making? I get the impression that the taxi trade in general feels that it is a bit of a Cinderella, because other forms of public transport are routinely involved in every forum, committee and policy-making body, but the taxi trade is outside the room. That issue came across in the evidence.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

Does the Scottish Government value falconry?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

Would one solution to the petitioner’s request be for the Scottish Government to invite the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service or the Lord Advocate to issue guidance indicating that no prosecutions will be taken with regard to falconers practising their sport?

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

—being criminalised without the opportunity of having been heard.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

Can we ask NatureScot when it will invite someone from the Scottish Gamekeepers Association to join its board? It is strange that there is a group that represents the people who work daily on the land but that is completely unrepresented on NatureScot, as far as I understand? Those people are not sitting clattering keyboards—they are not keyboard warriors. They are actually managing nature and looking after animals for which they care deeply. NatureScot is denied the opportunity of the centuries of experience of people who care deeply for the countryside and the animals of Scotland.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 21 December 2022

Fergus Ewing

An amendment to the Animals and Wildlife (Penalties, Protections and Powers) (Scotland) Act 2020 that dealt with the ban on shooting of mountain hares was passed at stage 3. Is it correct to say that the Scottish Government did not consider any evidence whatsoever from falconers in relation to that measure?