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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Kevin Lindsay, do you want to come in? I presume that there is an opportunity to have such a plan, now that ScotRail is run by the Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I have a quick follow-up question on the cost issue. If you get more passengers on trains, I presume that the benefits include being able to plan ahead with a different number of rail carriages. For example, we know that getting on the last train from Fife to Edinburgh can be a nightmare, but if the provision is better planned, is that not good for the system? If the trains carried more passengers, compared with buses, that might mean that there would be fewer cars on the roads, so the buses would be more efficient, too. Is there a trade-off or a crossover here?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you. I, too, declare that I am a member of Unison.

I have a question that follows on from our discussion with the first panel. Although there has been a bounce-back since the pandemic, bus and rail passenger numbers are lower than they were before Covid. Those stats are quite stark. The previous panel had a lot to say about what puts people off using trains and buses. What can we do to attract more people to use trains and buses?

I am open about who goes first. Perhaps Gordon Martin could kick off the answers.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Where would you start in terms of priority? Is it about the regional transport partnerships working with community groups and local authorities and, on the islands, getting people to talk to CalMac—all those kinds of things?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I think that you will soon be able to use an integrated tram and bus ticket in the Lothians. That is coming soon, because they are prioritising it. Doing that and making it work right across the country is really important.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Thank you. That was really helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I want to invite some more feedback on that. The previous witnesses were quite relaxed about different models of delivery. However, this year, the bus infrastructure fund is worth only £10 million. What would your priority for expenditure be, so that we can deliver the new services that are needed by people who use buses, which are simply not available? How would you get that process going again?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I am thinking about the impact on the choices that people have. We have 18 million fewer trips because there are reduced services, and 20 million fewer trips because of increased journey times due to congestion. There is a question about how we can actually make the buses available for people.

I was looking at the statistics. The bus partnership fund was meant to be £500 million, but only £20 million has been allocated to date, and nothing was allocated for last year. The community bus fund, which is allocated to local authorities and regional transport partnerships, is only £7 million. Is there an issue about how we support an increase in the provision of buses rather than allowing there to be a reduction in the first place?

There is an issue of inequality, in that people who do not have cars do not have a choice, so buses are absolutely critical in terms of equality. There is also an issue about how to persuade people not to use cars.

Robert Samson, what do you think our priority should be with regard to ensuring that we do not lose bus services in the first place?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

I very much agree with you. It feels very odd that there were so few consultation responses and that one of them was not considered. It would also have been helpful to have a bit of a note on how the regulations impact on people’s daily lives and on the sectors where they will be implemented. However, I do not object to the instrument.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Train and Bus Services

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Sarah Boyack

Where should investment in those routes be prioritised to make them more reliable?