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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

It has been good getting your evidence. In its written submission, COSLA said that the financial memorandum vastly underestimates the cost for local authorities and overestimates the potential income. That was reinforced by the first witness panel today. Can we get your views from the ground? What would be your asks in order to meet higher recycling targets and to link into the wider net zero and sustainable development goals that were mentioned in your written evidence? May we go to Glasgow first?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

Silke Isbrand put up her hand.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

Okay. That is very much appreciated, convener.

I have a question for Gail Macgregor about the estimates in the financial memorandum. There has been a lot of talk about the need for investment. Do you agree with the estimates? Given the huge variation in local authorities’ current recycling rates—I think that three have a rate that is below 30 per cent and 12 have a rate that is above 50 per cent—where will the capital and revenue expenditure come from to invest in best practice?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

Thank you, minister. The reason for asking the question, convener, is that the issue is about how these new heat networks are supplied and the critical role played by local authorities not only in planning and leadership, as has been mentioned, but accountability. That is why I was keen to ask the question. Moreover, if this is done properly, it will result in income generation for local communities and low bills for people. The feedback that I have had from local authorities is that they are under massive financial pressure to take this forward, which brings us back to the £300 million fund. It will be very interesting to see how that will be spent.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

That is useful. The bill process is on-going, and we are moving towards the amendment stage, so it would be useful for the committee to be kept updated on that issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

My question is about accountability and consumer protection. Heat networks are being developed; I have visited ones in Clydebank and Midlothian that are owned by the council but operated through a private partnership approach, so there is accountability for the residents. By contrast, Edinburgh has dozens of heat networks; they are not run by the council, but they are also not for residential properties as a rule. As the approach is rolled out, it raises a critical issue about accountability and consumer protection—and not just in the short term. When the source of energy shifts, you will need accountability with regard to costings. How is that consumer protection issue feeding into these regulations?

I guess that it comes back to Mark Ruskell’s point about municipal ownership and how critical councils are to the planning process. After all, as far as housing is concerned, whether it be new or old, councils have, as you say, the knowledge. Is there not an accountability issue here? Should we not be focusing on those council leadership approaches? Does the public-private approach not provide that accountability rather than the private route that you have mentioned?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Water Industry

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

I just wanted to highlight that, at last week’s meeting, I asked about Scottish Water using its renewables infrastructure for income generation. To what extent does that infrastructure give it additional income that might help keep household bills down? I know that it is a short question on quite a complex issue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Water Industry

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

Thanks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Sarah Boyack

In paragraph 21 of your submission, you suggest that there could be legal targets for the transportation and packaging of goods. Do you want to comment on that? Obviously, a huge amount of Scotland is rural and there has been a huge increase in packages being delivered since the pandemic. What would those targets look like? You suggest that there should be mandatory reporting of transport emissions. That would raise awareness, but how should the Government do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 October 2023

Sarah Boyack

Thank you.

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