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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Have you analysed the different costs of increasing modal shift? We have lost so many bus services. Part of the issue is how you stabilise and sustain those services, as the minister has said, but it also about creating new services that attract people, which could be a matter of timings or routes. The community bus fund is £1 million. Is there some issue with start-up costs in order to get this going? Is that the block? Having introduced the 2001 act, I know that there is a huge gap between having the powers available and actually using them.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I am sorry—I was using the fund.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I was going to move on—the example was given beautifully, actually—to SEPA and Scottish Water on what difference has actually been made. I will pick up the point that Bridget made about wellbeing and sustainable development. There is Scottish Government work in considering policy and legislation, and there is my member’s bill. What difference is ESS is making to relationships? I ask SEPA first, then Scottish Water.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Thanks. Does Scottish Water have a particular perspective on the matter?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

I was thinking about the upcoming human rights legislation, which may propose a new human right to a healthy environment, and about how that would be delivered in practice with both an enforcement framework and different legal and non-judicial opportunities for redress. How does that relate, following on from Ben Macpherson’s questions about an environmental court and linking into Aarhus convention compliance? I can see a couple of nods. I do not know who wants to kick off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Thank you, convener. If you look at my entry in the register of members’ interests, you will find that I am a member of a number of organisations, which I have declared. The main declaration to make is that I was the cabinet secretary who introduced the Transport (Scotland) Act 2001. I say that just for peoples’ interest.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

That is really useful. Does anyone else want to come in on the back of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

Yes, that is really helpful. It links into the issue of the extent to which Environmental Standards Scotland has functioned in the way that people expected. I can see some nodding from Dr Shivali Fifield and Professor Sarah Hendry. Does one of you want to kick off on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

It is fascinating to come in on the back of those questions, because, although I have not declared this, I actually introduced the first free bus travel scheme for the over-60s in Scotland. It is interesting to see the extent to which members of the public are now using concessionary bus passes, whether they be over 60 or under 22.

I just wanted to follow up on that by asking about the Scottish Government’s strategy and funding streams to ensure that we get more people using buses. As colleagues have pointed out, we have lost a lot of bus services over the last few years. For the piece of work that we are looking at today on bus services improvement partnerships, what analysis have you done of the benefits of such partnerships versus bus franchising and the costs and benefits of the different options? One thing that feels clear is the resource issue so that local authorities can choose what to do, whether it be BSIPs, as you have mentioned, or bus franchising. After all, there will be start-up as well as on-going costs. Do you have a cost benefit analysis that you can share with us about the choices to increase modal shift?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 16 January 2024

Sarah Boyack

This will be my final question, as we have to move on. Have you done any analysis of how many routes will be saved or added through the bus priority fund partnerships? What analysis has been done on modal shift?