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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

If I understand our papers correctly, the anticipated result of the order should be such that the financial impact on the offender would not be greater than it would have been, albeit that a mix is being used. I will just read from the policy note again:

“The financial impact on the offender and their family, and any resulting impacts, are therefore anticipated to be unchanged”.

Does that mean that, even though the courts could impose a fine and a restitution order or a compensation order, there are not three separate figures? In other words, there is potential for the overall amount to be three times as much as it would have been if only a fine been imposed. If that is right, are you saying that the overall amount of the three figures should not be higher? If the courts could do that, and the overall cost to the offender would be higher, that would impact on the ability to collect the fine.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

Any information that any of the panel could provide on that would be helpful. We need to know where the system is not working for the purposes of the report.

I will ask about remand prisoners. Around a quarter of prisoners are on remand. Does that need to change? The committee understands the subtle and important difference in how remand prisoners are treated, because they are innocent until proven guilty and they are waiting on a trial. Many of them will be on drugs—although they were not on drugs when they went into prison—and some will not be. There is a combination. Do we need to change anything in relation to how remand prisoners get access to drug treatment?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

A mother has written to me because, if her son is released—he might still be remanded but he may be bailed—she knows that there will be a vicious cycle. There is very little chance, or far less chance, of getting a person into recovery because of all those things. I appreciate you giving that example.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Suzy Calder, I think, described the different ways that drugs can enter prisons. Do you have a focus on any of those in particular? For example, do you focus on exchanges during visits or on drones?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. The evidence session has been very informative so far. I want to continue on the theme of how drugs get into prisons. That is what the public want to know. They do not understand the complexity of what you are dealing with or the different ways that drugs get into prisons. I will continue Sharon Dowey’s line of questioning on the use of drones and your successes in tackling that, which was good to read about.

10:45  

Stephen Coyle, you said that, sometimes, drones will drop drugs packages outside the prison windows. How do criminals communicate with prisoners? How do prisoners know where the packages are and who they are for? How does the communication network work, and are you able to subvert it in any way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Detective Chief Superintendent Higgins, you might not be able to answer this, but the committee would like to know whether there have been convictions for the use of drones. If there have been cases in which you had an idea who was behind it and you reported it, there must have been convictions.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure, but, as a complete layperson, I would have thought that there must be some obvious triggers. Are there no identified potential risk factors, such as being in a cell for that length of time and the boredom that comes with not having anything to do? Would that be regarded as a risk factor for someone who was not previously a drug user?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is that how it works? Does someone who has not been a drug user have to come to you and say, “I feel at risk”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure.

My final question is perhaps for Stephen Coyle to answer. I am just trying to build up a picture of the previously non-drug-using cohort. To your knowledge, are they targeted by criminals outside the jails?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Do prisoners routinely use mobile phones?