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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I put my first question to Stuart Munro. The question of the three-verdict system has long been debated in Scotland. You might remember that Michael McMahon, a Labour Party member, introduced a bill on the issue many years ago. If the Parliament decides to retain the not proven verdict, do you think that we will always be discussing the three-verdict system, given that it is unusual? Secondly, do you think that the Government’s rationale for changing it is clear?

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Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes, thank you. None of us, apart from Katy Clark, has practised criminal law in the courts, so we are learning as we go. What I am really driving at is this: is it fair to say that the instructions that the jury will be given will be primarily around the Crown proving its case beyond reasonable doubt? In other words, the first question is not about what verdict you are going to choose. Is it fair to say that the jury will be directed to decide guilt or innocence, and then have to decide which verdict is appropriate?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

I have one final question for Ronnie Renucci. We have been hearing that the not proven verdict is used a lot in rape cases. Have you any comment on whether, in your experience—I realise that this is just your evidence—there is a tendency for not proven verdicts in rape cases?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

I understand. Do you have any view on why that is?

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. That is really helpful.

I said to the previous panel that most of us are laypeople so are a bit unfamiliar with a lot of practices, certainly in relation to prosecution policy. Broadly speaking, when you are marking a case—for example, a rape case—I presume that there is some guidance for prosecutors on how to decide whether the evidence is there to take a case forward. Is it harder to do that in rape cases than in other cases?

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

As the cabinet secretary has said, misogyny is unfortunately still rife in our schools, with many young women still reporting alarming levels of sexual harassment at school. Scottish Labour’s consultation on violence against women and girls found that developing educational resources on gender-based violence for all boys and young men in Scotland should be a key priority if we are to effectively tackle such violence. Will the Scottish Government commit to introducing bespoke workshops that will specifically teach boys and young men about healthy relationships and interactions with girls and young women, and will it consider rolling those workshops out across the whole curriculum?

Meeting of the Parliament

First Minister’s Question Time

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

This week, in a bid to save money, Police Scotland announced a voluntary redundancy scheme for civilian staff. It came after the force warned that 3,000 jobs would be at risk unless it received an additional £128 million in funding and that officer numbers could drop by almost 1,500. That means that Police Scotland is saying that it might have to move to a reduced attendance model nationwide. Unison has objected to the scheme because it had warned that similar action a decade ago forced police officers to fill the roles that had been vacated by civilian staff. That is not the way in which we should want to run our police service. How does the First Minister intend to address the concerns that Unison and Police Scotland have raised over the budget cuts? It is concerning that they could lead to a reduced policing service being provided to the public.

Meeting of the Parliament

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

To ask the Scottish Government what work it is doing in schools to educate boys to prevent violence against women and girls. (S6O-02848)

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you—that is a fair point.

Lastly, aside from the three verdicts, you do not see why the current system should change. Is it fair to highlight, however, that we currently have three verdicts and that that is why—as Joe Duffy said earlier—we convict on a majority of one? At present, someone can be tried and convicted of murder or rape on the difference of one vote. That is the reason why, if we were to remove one of the verdicts, the Government would also look at the ratio of the jury. Is it fair to say that we should look at the ratio if we take away one of the verdicts?

I realise that that is not where you are coming from—you just feel that there should be more convictions. However, we must look not just at rape trials but at all trials.

Criminal Justice Committee

Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 December 2023

Pauline McNeill

Would it not be fair, therefore, for the Government to look at the majority issue?

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