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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

Is it unlawful to share such an image with so many others?

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes, that is helpful. I do not have any further questions, but other panel members, such as Stuart Allardyce, might want to answer the same question.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

It is. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

I want to follow up on your last sentence, on behaviour that is increasingly seen as normalised. This is borne out by some studies in England, which we do not have in Scotland. I am interested in the victims, who are mainly but not always girls, and the harm that can be done to girls. I imagine that you include that in the broad definition.

Criminal Justice Committee

Tackling Online Child Abuse, Grooming and Exploitation

Meeting date: 31 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

Sorry, can I interrupt you? I totally accept that, but I want to be specific. I am talking about the scenario in which that image is then shared without consent. I was involved in the consideration of the legislation that was passed in this area and I understand the difficulties about where to draw the line. I am asking about the situation in which that image is shared. I do not think that the law covers that scenario, but I could be wrong.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

As other members have said, it was an excellent visit. John Docherty, who has hosted us twice now, answered thousands of questions, so I found it really informative.

For completeness—I mentioned this earlier—we were clearly told that there were 100 places, and I wanted to note for the record that the note that we have says that it is

“a new national prison for 80 women”,

so there is a disparity of 20 somewhere along the line.

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

That all sounds perfectly reasonable, but why can the Scottish Parliament not just set an unlimited fine? The point that I am driving at is that the profession itself is going to set the fees for disciplinary matters. Are you saying that because English firms set their fines there is parity there?

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

I am fully supportive of that notion. My concern is about one micro-element: why would we not want the Scottish Parliament to set the fees? Why would you want the profession to set them? That is the bit that I do not understand. Is that where there is to be parity with England? I get the bit about unlimited fines, which makes absolute sense here.

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

I apologise—I meant fines. We are talking about a statutory fine limit.

Criminal Justice Committee

Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Bill

Meeting date: 24 May 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you—that is helpful.

My next question is unrelated. The bill will remove the statutory fine limit and allow the Scottish Solicitors’ Discipline Tribunal to set its own limits on financial penalties that are imposed for economic crime disciplinary matters. Traditionally, Parliament has set fines and fees for all sorts of disciplines—the Accountant in Bankruptcy comes to mind. It is right for Parliament to set some fines, because that is more democratic and allows people to see clearly how fines have been set.

In principle, I am not in favour of organisations setting fine limits for crime. You can correct me if I am wrong, but I think that this measure is in the context of financial penalties for economic crime disciplinary matters. That is surely a matter for Parliament and not for an organisation.

I certainly do not want to go down such a road. I oppose some fees being set by professions and I can think of lots of examples in relation to that. I know about the Accountant in Bankruptcy because it sets extraordinarily high fees for individuals who are trying to recover from their indebtedness. It is more democratic to let Parliament decide. I ask about the provision in the bill because I am sure that there is a reason for it.