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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Fireworks and Pyrotechnic Articles (Scotland) Act 2022

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Reading the letter takes me back to an issue that the committee raised previously, which was that the legislation felt really rushed. The relationship between football banning orders and the legislation should have been clear. Far be it from me to say it, but surely the role of lawyers and Government officials when they are drafting legislation is to match it up with all other legislation. There is an obvious relationship in this case, and we are asking the question with hindsight, and the minister is having to answer that question.

Although the minister is correct to say that it is a matter for the courts, it is for the Parliament to determine what it wants when it legislates. I would have thought that, to a party and to a person, what we wanted was to give maximum powers to arrest people for use of pyrotechnic devices at football matches, which is extremely disruptive. We are now trying to fix the issue with hindsight. It probably should have been drawn to the committee’s attention that the legislation might have a relationship with a pre-existing act. It would not have occurred to me.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Following what Rona Mackay has said, I would be interested in spending more time looking at the stalking charges. That offence is broader than domestic abuse and there are issues, with victims having reported failures in the system in relation to the law on that—but that is for another day.

Are we to assume from the paper that the changes under item 3 have already happened or been agreed? The list includes

“creating a standard condition of bail … placing a restriction on granting bail”

and

“allowing certain ... evidence”.

The paper says:

“The 2018 Act created a new offence of engaging in an abusive course of conduct ... For example, when a child sees, hears or is present during a domestic abuse incident.”

That is the point that Russell Findlay raised. It then says, “Further changes included” and lists changes. Are we to assume that those changes have all happened?

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you very much.

Criminal Justice Committee

Deaths in Prison Custody

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. What you said there is very concerning. With 350 deaths and numerous cases that members of the Parliament have taken on—such as the death of Alan Marshall, who was on remand in our care, and Katie Allan, a young woman who took her own life in Polmont—it is shocking to hear that.

All of the recommendations in the “Independent Review of the Response to Deaths in Prison Custody” seemed to be good ones, but what you told us—that very few of them have been pursued—is staggering.

There are two cases that I want to ask you about. I have had some involvement with Katie Allan’s case. I met her family and understand that, through freedom of information requests and meetings, they received a commitment from the then Cabinet Secretary for Justice on the removal of ligatures from the prison estate, but they are led to believe that cost is preventing that from happening. Do you have any comment to make to the committee about that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

That is what I thought. If the top ones in the list have not been implemented, they would require further discussion. The bottom three are:

“applying certain special measures aimed at protecting child witnesses … requiring the court to consider the future protection of the victim when sentencing an offender … and telling the court to always consider making a non-harassment order ... against a person convicted of a domestic abuse offence.”

That last one is really important because, until now, complainers in many cases have had to seek an interdict under one of the civil processes, which is costly for most people. It would be helpful to clarify whether those are just recommendations.

Criminal Justice Committee

Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018: Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. My first set of questions also follows on from what Rona Mackay asked about. We need to understand, in some detail, what David Page said about the reduction in head count of 800. That is a significant number. To be clear, is that police officers and staff?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

But inflation is considerably higher than that. Are you projecting that it will come down to 2 per cent?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Do you mean the Government guidance?

Criminal Justice Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. My time for questions is passing—it is amazing how quickly time goes, even though 10 minutes seems like a long time—so I will now ask the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service witnesses to answer one or two questions.

Ross Haggart, as you know, other members and I have raised the issue of decontamination facilities. I understand at least the basics of the difference between the revenue and capital budgets. What progress will we be able to make with regard to getting shower facilities and other required facilities to keep fire and rescue officers safe? Do you have concerns about your ability to do that?