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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 November 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Liliana Torres Jiménez, you have spoken about the technicalities involved in the framing of the legislation. What is your view of the issue of consent, which is an issue in sexual offences such as rape?

Outside the committee, I went to a meeting held by Ash Regan, which was attended by women who had been involved in the sex trade in various countries such as Canada and Sweden. I appreciate that those countries have different laws. However, the women spoke about the difficulties there in prosecuting crimes of rape and other sexual offences that turn on the question of consent when the sale of sex is legal and—to use the phrase that they did—a contractual matter.

Do you see similar problems in Scotland for women who face the same threats as others who are involved in the sex trade and who might be the victims of crime even if the act of selling sex were to be lawful?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

If the sale of sex were to be lawful, would the issue of consent cause any difficulties in dealing with sexual crimes?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Yes; it is not a straightforward question. I asked it only because, in the briefing for the meeting that I mentioned, the women said that, in their countries, where the selling of sex had been legalised, it became difficult to prove consent in a court of criminal law. I would be interested to hear whether you have any views on that.

I want to ask Detective Superintendent Bertram about cases where the sale of sex happens in brothels. We have looked at the situation in Germany, where an estimated 1.2 million men buy sex every day and where sex work was legalised in 2002. We have heard evidence that legalising or decriminalising sex work does not really affect brothels, and would not lead to a proliferation of them, but the experience in Germany would suggest otherwise. Do you have a view on that? As we have heard evidence on decriminalisation, I would be interested to hear your view on whether that would lead to more brothels, for example.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Chief constable, you told the committee that, with the exception of the Fire and Rescue Service, the police might be the only public sector organisation that has taken such a reduction in its budget. Have you had that conversation with the cabinet secretary and put that to her directly? If so, what was the Government’s response to that? It is alarming to hear that, given what you have outlined to the committee about the challenges of policing and how important it is to communities.

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

I want to be clear in my mind about the numbers, because there are a lot of numbers. You told the committee that you have already lost 900 officers. Over what period did that happen?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. For completeness, does Dr Forbes want to contribute anything from the prosecutor’s perspective in response to my question to Liliana about consent?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. Dr Forbes, you have spoken to the committee many times about violence against women and girls, and you have given us excellent evidence. What you have said to us about the harm to women is clear. As you have told us many times, the backdrop to the proposed legislation is the rising trend in serious and violent crime against women and girls.

10:30  

Would such harm to women extend to those who are not involved in prostitution or in the sale of sex? We have heard evidence about the decriminalisation of sexual services. If we did that, and selling sex were to be legalised, would harm be caused to women and girls more widely and not just to those who are involved in prostitution?

Criminal Justice Committee Draft

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Pauline McNeill

A lot of witnesses have presented evidence to the committee that we should decriminalise the sale of sex, for the reasons that Jamie Hepburn mentioned, including the safety of women, but others have said that they believe in choice.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Do you think that your argument harms women who are not involved in the sex trade who are exploited by men? Does not wanting to protect the sale of sex in any country, which is what I think that you are arguing for—for all the right reasons; I understand that—cause harm to other women, because of the very nature of men’s attitudes to women? Alternatively, do you think that it does not harm them? If so, that is fine, but I would like to know.

Criminal Justice Committee (Draft)

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. I thank the cabinet secretary and Teresa Medhurst for sharing their insights into why we are facing this crisis in the Scottish Prison Service. They have always been frank and open with the Opposition parties, and I appreciate that.

I would like to understand the detail of what all of this means in relation to short-term prisoners. It is quite hard to follow, but am I correct in saying that the Bail and Release from Custody (Scotland) Act 2023 changes the early release point to 40 per cent of a sentence having been served? Where does that provision come in?