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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 9 November 2026
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

—as if it is the Police Service that is not good enough and not you.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

I understand that, and I will talk about that flexibility. It goes back to the question about flexibility that Ivan McKee was asked. Either the budget has to be good enough or we have to free up police officers’ time. I come back to that point, because I do not believe that you will deliver either of those things.

Last week, I asked an important question that I have asked previously: do you accept that more than £2 billion in savings has been delivered in the police budget over the past 14 years? Does the Government accept that figure?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

You say that she should be accountable. If you do not give her the £110 million, why are you not accountable? Why is she accountable?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

I received an email this morning from someone who said that they have been waiting for four days for evidence to be collected in a sexual crime case, so this is real to people.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Yes, if you do not mind.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

Thank you for clarifying that, at least.

I go back to this point: if, at the Cabinet table, you cannot provide what is required to deliver the police service that the public want, you have to free up police time. I will be candid with both cabinet secretaries: the complacency is absolutely staggering. If you really care about the service and about delivering it, something else has to change.

The police are unique in that they are the only service whose members cannot walk away from people in accident and emergency departments. That is the truth. Doctors can walk away—it is not their problem. I am sick of listening to people saying, “Progress has been made.” It has not. The police are left with a problem. If the Government does not tell the national health service or other agencies that it is their responsibility, police officers will be left in exactly the same position. If the settlement is not good enough, the service will get worse, and you will have presided over that, having accepted the complacent findings of people telling you, “We are making progress.” Frankly, that is not good enough. If they were doing what was expected of them, we would be able to see how many hours would be freed up for police officers. It is not court time that takes up most of their time; it is attendance at A and E. Surely you must be banging heads together about that. You cannot be satisfied that there has been enough progress.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

That is what I wanted to know.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

It is exactly that scenario that I raised at the time. A police officer who had an allegation of misconduct was cleared internally under the current process—it was found that there was no case to answer—but then failed the vetting. I raised that I was concerned that vetting would be used as part of the misconduct process, and I believe that I was right about that.

You do not need to answer in relation to that point, but I just think that the whole situation is very messy now, given the discussion this morning and the relationship that we have talked about.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

That is fair enough.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2027-28

Meeting date: 4 November 2026

Pauline McNeill

I agree.