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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

As you said, cabinet secretary, whether to impose restitution orders is a matter for the courts to decide. We have heard that there have been 103 such orders and that in a given case the court can impose either a fine or a restitution order. From what I have read, it seems that the amount of any restitution order should be broadly the same as that of any fine that the court might have imposed. Does that mean that the courts have complete freedom to decide which of those options they want to apply? Is there guidance on when a restitution order should be used, or are there any criteria for that?

10:15  

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

I had not appreciated that a restitution order could be imposed as well as a fine. I have not looked recently at the repayment figures for fines. I know that, in the past, there have been problems with collecting fines—I do not know whether that is still the case. I would think that someone’s ability to pay might be a consideration. If a court imposes a fine and is thinking about making a restitution order, presumably it would use some kind of self-imposed criteria to decide whether the offender could afford that, otherwise we would not get the return on it.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

You said in your submission that provision depends on what prison someone ends up in. Do specific prisons not provide recovery programmes, or is it random? Are there specific prisons that you could point to and say, “If you get moved to that prison, you will not get a programme of recovery”?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

Is it down to governors?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thank you. I take the point that we are clearly locking too many people up, given that those on remand are a quarter of the prison population, but I am interested to hear that they do not seem to get access to the same treatment while they are there. I understand that there are some legal aspects to how remand prisoners are treated, but when it comes to support, if they have started taking drugs while they are in jail—the number of prisoners who do so is high enough—there surely should be no distinction between prisoners and remand prisoners? What do you think, Gemma?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am glad you added that in, because I have a case exactly like that in Glasgow right now.

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Suzy Calder, I think, described the different ways that drugs can enter prisons. Do you have a focus on any of those in particular? For example, do you focus on exchanges during visits or on drones?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Good morning. The evidence session has been very informative so far. I want to continue on the theme of how drugs get into prisons. That is what the public want to know. They do not understand the complexity of what you are dealing with or the different ways that drugs get into prisons. I will continue Sharon Dowey’s line of questioning on the use of drones and your successes in tackling that, which was good to read about.

10:45  

Stephen Coyle, you said that, sometimes, drones will drop drugs packages outside the prison windows. How do criminals communicate with prisoners? How do prisoners know where the packages are and who they are for? How does the communication network work, and are you able to subvert it in any way?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Sure.

My final question is perhaps for Stephen Coyle to answer. I am just trying to build up a picture of the previously non-drug-using cohort. To your knowledge, are they targeted by criminals outside the jails?

Criminal Justice Committee [Draft]

Substance Misuse in Prisons

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pauline McNeill

Do prisoners routinely use mobile phones?