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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 30 December 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

It might be more appropriate to put this question to Alasdair Thomson, because it is about waiting times and the current structure.

I understand what we are being asked to do. If the function is transferred over, will that change the waiting times for police tribunals?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

That is not what I am talking about. Maybe we do not agree on this. The global exploitation of women and girls is, primarily, carried out by men; organised gangs are mainly male; and the buyers are mainly male. There is lots of evidence that men are exploiting women in these situations, even though the women are entering into an agreement for the sale of sex. That is what I have heard. Surely you must agree.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

It is quite important for us to get our heads around where we are, because the situation is complex. I understand that. I found that information helpful, thank you.

Cabinet secretary, I asked you about this in the chamber yesterday. I know that there is more than one reason for the rise in the prison population. The committee also had a discussion about that with Teresa Medhurst. However, if I understood what you said yesterday—and you are not the first person to say this—it appears that there has been a rise in the number of longer sentences that the courts are handing out, for whatever reason. Is that the case?

Do you agree that it is quite important for somebody, whether it be a committee or a Government department, to understand why that might be? You said that the rise could not have been predicted, but if there are to be changes in trends in sentencing and in how long we hold prisoners for, maybe it is an important thing to understand.

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Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

You might not be able to answer this, but does that indicate that more serious crimes are being committed, or is it not possible to tell? Or is it that the courts are taking a harder view on sentencing—which they are entitled to do, as the judiciary is independent?

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Thanks. Further to that, there has also been a change to the point in a sentence at which a prisoner could be eligible for home detention curfew. It was 25 per cent into the sentence, and now it is 15 per cent into the sentence.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Before we get to the powers that we are considering today, there is already a potential shortening of the time served in jail under those provisions, for some prisoners.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

I heard an interview with a defence lawyer who said that some of their clients who are serving time in prison and who might be released are not ready for that. They would rather be in prison so that they can access services, including rehabilitation or whatever else they think they need. Has that happened? I do not know whether Teresa Medhurst could answer that. Do you come across prisoners who do not think that they are ready to go out into the community? Is there provision to consider that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

I am sorry to interrupt. I have listened to some sex workers who talk about their experiences of being exploited—sexually exploited—by men who ask them to do things that they did not want to do so that they went beyond what, I suppose, the initial agreement was. Surely that happens.

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

Men cannot be trusted, is what I am really saying. Can they be trusted?

Criminal Justice Committee

Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 October 2025

Pauline McNeill

It is not, really, no. I do not think that you have understood me. I hear loud and clear what you are saying about the pros and cons of legislating. I understand that, and that is the balance—we have got to decide whether we think that the legislation protects women or not. My concern is about the wider harm. If we agree that men tend to exploit women and if we agree that men are the main problem, the question, whatever we do—even if we protect women who sell their bodies, reduce the stigma and all of that—is whether we can really stop men exploiting women. That is at the heart of what I am saying. Can we really stop the wider harm to other women who are not in the sex trade by saying that it is a perfectly acceptable thing in society? For me, those who are against the bill need to answer that question.